Open Discussion About Israel

Last week I posted an event on Wesleying which read: ”Come to the inaugural meeting of Wesleyan’s Pro-Israel Advocacy Organization! We are a group based on issues including: support of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, commitment to the two-state solution, and calling out blatant media biases. Come brainstorm how to proceed! All are welcome.”

After just a few hours, I received an email from a friend abroad saying he had seen my post and that he was “sorry about all the comments…How you holding up?” I immediately rushed to a computer to find 17 (which eventually became 24) anonymous comments in response to my posting.

Most of these comments attacked the group’s basic tenets. Putting forth some historical inaccuracies and harping on loaded buzzwords, these comments screamed at the Pro-Israel Advocacy group for supporting an occupier, a state that commits war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and racial hierarchies. Some comments, though, went so far as to attack the group’s legitimacy in general, wondering how “such a prestigious and liberal
school full of smart people” could host students with these opinions. One comment offered an outraged reaction to those of us who might think this way, asking us to “please go fuck yourself and die.”

I was immediately disheartened and disillusioned. This violent rhetoric is exactly why I have avoided discussing my opinions on the conflict for my first three years at Wesleyan. I second Jared Gimbel’s ’11 response on Weselying, where he writes, “outright flames in this manner have made me afraid to go asleep at night and voice anything concerning Israel in public”.

My disappointment to these reactions is tempered only by this: the lack of voices in response to this one-sided hatred is exactly why Matt Nestler ’10 and I created the Pro Israel Advocacy group in the first place.

In my three years at Wesleyan, there has only been one student-group on campus addressing the conflict in Israel/Palestine. This group is called ADAPT, which stands for Awareness and Dialogue About Palestine/Israel Today. Hoping that this title suggested campus-wide education and discussion about both sides of the issue, I quickly realized that ADAPT is biased towards the Palestinian cause and does not represent a balanced
dialogue between the two perspectives. Which is fine. While I do not agree with ADAPT’s standpoints and do not attend their meetings, I adamantly respect the events they host on campus and their commitment to sharing their beliefs with Wesleyan’s student body. However, the limited scope of activism on this issue on campus creates an imbalanced conversation. Having only one group on campus means reinforcing pre established opinions and alienating those who might disagree. The Pro-Israel Advocacy group hopes to fill this hole on campus in order to promote helpful conversation for all those interested.

We know that the Israeli government is not perfect and we do not pretend to offer a group where everyone will agree with each other. But in order for fruitful discussion to really happen on this campus, shouldn’t we be allowed the freedom to express our opinions without being immediately attacked? Wesleying is not a productive medium to discuss these emotion-filled political disagreements, especially when those who comment leave their messages anonymously. If you feel passionately about these issues, please attend either our meeting or ADAPT’s—or both—so that Wesleyan can boast of a campus where these two equally legitimate opinions can be criticized, analyzed and studied productively and openly. If two student groups with differing opinions cannot be tolerated on our campus, how could we ever expect progress to be made in the Middle East?

Comments

28 responses to “Open Discussion About Israel”

  1. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    I couldn’t agree more. On a campus that claims to be so open minded, there are many opinions that remain taboo. This has inspired me to start my own club, the Wesleyan Neo-Nazis.

    We agree with the Pro-Israel group in many respects. We agree on white racial superiority. We agree that might makes right and that it is legitimate to seize land, homes, bodies and livelihoods. We agree those being dominated can be forced into ghettos, ghettos without food, water or electricity. We agree torture is justified against these brutes.

    Overall, we agree that the other should be marginalized, tortured, murdered and discarded. We agree on our divine right to domination. And we agree that we will silence, by force, by insane accusations, and by violent misrepresentation those who speak against us.

  2. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    P.S. People Remain anonymous because Zionists are known for their vicious response, including blacklisting, vandalism and physical attack. Put down the loaded gun (maybe metaphorical) , then we can talk about “dialogue”

  3. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    Either come torture me with your bare hands, or stop advocating torture for my people. But don’t advocate something you wouldn’t do yourself.

  4. @Anon #1 Avatar
    @Anon #1

    I know your argument well because I use a similar one whenever I see conservative groups on campus, who I don’t think should be accepted in the name of “diversity.”

    However, it is not that a pro-Israel group would support things like racial supremacy and murder (it would fight against them, in fact!) but that it would correct perceptions that Israel stands for these things, like the perception you apparently hold. Whether you believe this perception is right or wrong, why don’t you acknowledge this fact instead of pretending that pro-Israel students really stand for white supremacy and murder, which is obviously false and inflammatory.
    We’re all trying our best to fight for what we believe is right in this situation; let’s acknowledge this and civilly listen to others’ views with this in mind, instead of spewing anonymous hate around the internet.

  5. ombennett Avatar
    ombennett

    I am pro-Israel. Not because of who she is,
    but because of Who her God is. Let anyone who thinks he can “wipe Israel off the map”
    calculate if he can wipe out God.
    (By the way, that has already been tried.)

  6. Sydney Avatar
    Sydney

    All of your comments (and the ones on Wesleying) make me really sad. So much hate spewing around, and I really didn’t think that it was here. The group Zoe is talking about would be Wesleyan students: not crazy right winged Israelis who desperately hate Arabs and want Palestineans out. We’re not “holding guns up to you” in terms of dialogue. We want to talk, to understand. Honestly, most of us don’t have fully formed view points ourselves. But if you really think that Israelis, or people with pro-Israel viewpoints are neo-Nazis, then please, let’s talk. Let’s go sit and drink tea and let me hear where you’re coming from. I promise not to interrupt, or shoot you down.

    If there can’t be dialogue and understanding here, then what hope is there for the rest of the world?

  7. anon Avatar
    anon

    i don’t like tea

  8. anon Avatar
    anon

    “P.S. People Remain anonymous because Zionists are known for their vicious response, including blacklisting, vandalism and physical attack. Put down the loaded gun (maybe metaphorical) , then we can talk about ‘dialogue’”

    Wow. Blatant antisemitism was not something that I expected to find on this campus. I guess some sentiments never really go out of fashion.

  9. anon Avatar
    anon

    ever thought that people are joking?

  10. Mytheos Holt Avatar
    Mytheos Holt

    “I know your argument well because I use a similar one whenever I see conservative groups on campus, who I don’t think should be accepted in the name of ‘diversity.’”

    I love you too, Zoe.

  11. @Mytheos Avatar
    @Mytheos

    That was me, not Zoe.

  12. Mytheos Holt Avatar
    Mytheos Holt

    Whoever you are, I still agree with most of your comment, except the part about my movement.

  13. JBK '09 Avatar
    JBK ’09

    Is it really too hard to support an effort to achieve real dialogue? Sometimes this juvenile back and forth makes me so happy i graduated.

    The state of Israel has made mistakes. The Palestinian Authority has made them too. Can we look beyond the past towards the future? Or will real issues remain an outlet for our own self-gratifying narcissism?

    Put up or shut up. And we love you Zoe.

  14. Jesse Friedman Avatar
    Jesse Friedman

    Dear anon,

    I would like to thank you for your post because it has reassured me that I am making the right decision in joining this group. Your “joke” was not funny. Nor was it even remotely correct. And that is why there is a need for such a group on campus…because you are not the only one. By not being told the Israeli side, people are left to believe the outrageous claims (with very questionable motives) that Israelis are racist, evil occupiers who place the Palestinians in terrible living conditions, or my favorite, downright evil.
    I would also like to point out a problem with your choosing to be anonymous. You have every right in the world to remain anonymous, but I think you, and everyone who posted anonymously on wesleying, should think very carefully about what you are hoping to accomplish by posting such inflammatory remarks without owning up to what you are saying. If you TRULY believe everything you said, then you should not feel the need to fear people knowing you said it. You should be able to defend such claims rather than say “Oh it was a joke” when you are called out on them.
    I am including my name with this comment because I invite people to come speak to me about this. I am well aware of the situation in Israel. I have lived there both as a child and an adult. I have seen its best and worst sides. I have read the literature on this matter. And I will gladly discuss with you or anyone else why I think that while Israel may not be perfect, Israel has every right in the world to exist and to fight for its right to exist. And I will gladly share with you straightforward, purely factual books, maps, and videos that support this because I do not need to resort to extreme, unfounded rhetoric.

    Jesse Friedman

  15. anon Avatar
    anon

    i’d generally say that there is a pro-israeli bias on this campus, and generally throughout this country because of lack of open discussion on the conflict that is hampered by the power of the israeli lobby.

  16. Drew Flanagan Avatar
    Drew Flanagan

    PRO-Israel bias? here? nah. In the media generally, maybe. Anyway, I support this group’s existence because we do need dialog on this subject. I generally see Israel as an oppressive state, but it has become one because of a variety of factors, not least of which is terrorism and several wars aimed at annihilating it. I don’t think that nationalist groups generally belong at Wesleyan, but in this case the group has arisen out of the need to defend a nationality that may not get a fair hearing at Wes. While I remain generally pro-Palestinian, most of all I want peace and dialog both here and in the middle east.

  17. Jesse Friedman Avatar
    Jesse Friedman

    Dear anon,

    I think the fact that a) that past attempts at pro-Israel groups were met with such hostile attempts at intimidation that they were incapable of making basic facts known on campus, b) all student-run events on campus concerning Israel are extremely anti-Israel, and c) so many students are ignorant of the causes behind Israel’s actions that they make statements like yours, just goes to show how much the dialogue is not biased in Israel’s favor. And again, if you truly believe everything you say, you should not feel the need to be anonymous, and furthermore, you would not need to resort to blatantly incorrect rhetoric rather than provide any real proof. Continuing to post and to do so anonymously after I’ve already called you on this just furthers my belief that you would rather remain ignorant than have any real dialogue that may threaten your foolish black and white perception of a very complicated situation.

    Jesse Friedman

  18. anon infinity Avatar
    anon infinity

    dirty Jew

  19. anon Avatar
    anon

    “And that is why there is a need for such a group on campus…because you are not the only one. By not being told the Israeli side, people are left to believe the outrageous claims (with very questionable motives) that Israelis are racist, evil occupiers who place the Palestinians in terrible living conditions, or my favorite, downright evil.”

    http://www.wesleyan.edu/jis/

    So where is the “Muslim and Palestinian Studies” Certificate?

  20. Jesse Friedman Avatar
    Jesse Friedman

    1. Various students who do Jewish and Israel studies are anti-Israel.
    2. There are several students who have designed Islam studies majors. And there are various students who study Islam who are pro-Israel.
    3. As reflected by 1 and 2, courses on Judaism, Islam, Israel, and Islamic nations are academic, not political.

    And your continuing to remain anonymous after I have called you on it twice (not to mention the nature of your comments) even further confirms my statement that you fear any real dialogue that may threaten your unfounded simplistic view on this matter, and thus you are just wasting my time and anyone else’s who may be reading this. I will gladly discuss this with anyone who actually cares to use evidence to support realistic claims rather than resort to misleading catchphrases they learned, and if you would like to come speak to me in person you are welcome to do so (I’m leaving my e-mail and everything), but I will not continue with you in this manner on the internet.

    Jesse Friedman, jrfriedman@wesleyan.edu

  21. anon Avatar
    anon

    ever thought that the “anon” person could be more than one person?

  22. anon Avatar
    anon

    response to Jesse:

    1. ummmmmmmmmmm…..PROOF????
    2. actually, there is not even a course at Wesleyan that is strictly on Islam. Yes, there may be a course called “Islam and Muslim Cultures,” but unlike Judaism and Christianity, there is no “Intro to Islam” course. Sorry.
    3. So then why bother responding to the post about the Jewish and Israeli Studies?

  23. Jesse Friedman Avatar
    Jesse Friedman

    “ever thought that the “anon” person could be more than one person?”

    Wouldn’t change anything I said either way.

  24. In Solidarity with Palestinians Avatar
    In Solidarity with Palestinians

    I would just like to point out that most people would not identify as “anti-Israel.” Part of my stance is that it is not about choosing sides on a violent conflict, I neither support the actions of the IDF in Palestine or actions of Hammas. I support the recognition of the dignity, right to life, movement, access to resources and pursuit of livelihood for Palestinians, that does not have to be at the expense of Israeli citizens.

  25. anon Avatar
    anon

    exactly. it’s not black and white. it’s the same situation with being openly critical of israel: doing so DOES NOT MEAN that you are anti-semetic, as many pro-Israel people like to claim.

  26. new anon Avatar
    new anon

    but wanting peace is already opposing what Hamas wants and agreeing with what Israel wants.

    some things really ARE black and white. I know it feels accepting to say “there’s right on both sides,” (being sincere), but there are certain times in history when things are just right or wrong. I’m not saying everything israel does is right, but it is a far-too-common misconception that both sides just want peace and are equally legitimate in their causes. false.

  27. 11:37 Avatar
    11:37

    sorry, that was directed at anon 4:00, not at the article.

  28. In Solidarity with Palestinians Avatar
    In Solidarity with Palestinians

    “peace” is a loaded term. Palestinians, (who overwhelmingly do not support the violent tactics of Hamas) perhaps want, as I said, ability to live their lives without domination and oppression by a powerful economic and military force, and Israelis, generally, perhaps want security? To me, the false misconception is that these two viable wants (rights if you wish) are mutually exclusive. The Israeli government/military uses economic and physical violence to control the Palestinian population and SOME Palestinians use violence to try to fight this systematized oppression, using the only viable war tactics for countering the well-funded IDF. There is also TONS of nonviolent Palestinian resistance (http://www.gazafreedommarch.org) that of course does not get a lot of coverage as it challenges the black and white conception of us vs them. And there are tons of Israeli citizens that support Palestinian rights and ending the apartheid, to use another loaded term. Almost everyone agrees that Hamas rockets are wrong, but why do some people think that IDF bombs and bullets are right? I suggest that you (11:37) take some time to really look into this issue more, any history major will tell you that if something appears black and white, it probably isn’t being analyzed carefully and openly enough.

    To Zoe, I do not support the belligerent comments on Wesleying, I think perhaps some of where it came from is people associating the idea of Pro-Isreal, with people such as 11:37 who perhaps see it as choice between picking Palestine and Israel and pick Israel without understanding the real human dignity, freedom and lives that are at stake. (One problem I have with the Pro-Israel stance is that the name implies that people who are not Pro-Israel are anti-Israel, comparable perhaps to the way the pro-life more bluntly implies that a different view is anti-life or pro-abortion)

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