Response to Matthew Nestler

Dear Mr. Nestler,

I generally try to avoid responding to Wespeaks, as such responses often devolve into mere personal attacks in which grammatical and semantic errors take precedence over the real facts of the argument. I also believe that disagreements are best worked out face-to-face. However, I feel personally compelled, as a student of the history and politics of the Islamic world, to disagree with much of your Wespeak.

However, I am not going to disagree with all of your Wespeak. Most importantly, I agree with you that there are compelling reasons for a continued American commitment in Iraq. I do not necessarily agree with all of these reasons.

My concerns with your argument are numerous. However, I will limit myself to two major points of disagreement. First, I believe your comparison of the situation in Iraq with American engagement in Afghanistan in the 1980s to be spurious. Second, I find your telling of the “tumultuous and dynamic history” of the Middle East to have little basis in reality. I respond to these two points not only because they are the basis for your argument against withdrawal from Iraq, but because they are closely tied to such misinformed and silly notions as, “they hate the fact that we are free.”

While I in no way claim to be an expert on Afghanistan, I do know that American withdrawal from Afghanistan was not the only cause of the Taliban’s rise to power. Indeed, the social and ethnic complexities of Afghanistan make their rise to power far more complex than a simple “radicalization” of religious society. The Taliban are overwhelmingly Pashtun, whereas much of the ruling bureaucracy had been Tajik, Uzbek, and Hazara. Furthermore, the Taliban’s rise to national power began in 1994, and Kabul was not captured until 1996, nearly seven years after American withdrawal.

I also have serious questions about your telling of the history of the Middle East. First, you imply that from the earliest years of Islam, which is officially dated to 622 C.E., the “Middle East” (a term of Occidental invention which has little meaning to the region’s inhabitants) has been in a state of turmoil. I agree that the Arab and Islamic world has seen significant changes over the past 1,400 years. However I would counter by saying that Western Europe and the United States have similarly undergone numerous crises, including the Reformation and the resultant religious violence in the Holy Roman Empire, slavery, the Inquisition, World Wars I and II, the Holocaust, and the invention and use of the atomic bomb. I could go into great detail about the early years of Islam, the four “Rightly Guided Caliphs,” the Battle of Siffin and the Shia/Sunni split. However, I simply do not have the space. Suffice it to say that while the Islamic world has experienced its share of violence, it has also been one of the earliest empires to truly tolerate multiple religious beliefs, and was, under the early Abbasids, the sole repository and savior of a great deal of “Western” knowledge (i.e. the Bait al-Haqm and the Barmakids). From a scriptural standpoint, the tolerance of the “religions of the book” (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) is a fundamental principle of Islamic rule. In general, non-Muslim inhabitants of Muslim lands (the dhimmi) were protected and treated within the precepts of the Pact of Umar and the Constitution of Medina.

Furthermore, you describe a long history of conflict with the Christian occident: “Christians and Muslims have battled in the Crusades, the Spanish Reconquista, and the European/Ottoman struggle over the Mediterranean.” Indeed, “Christendom” has often come into conflict with the Islamic world. However, do you really find Muslim intransigence in the face of the Crusaders so galling? Or the defense of Muslim lands against a “reconquista” so baffling?

Finally, you posit the Iranian Revolution of 1979 as the key turning point in the “rivalry” (I find your use of this term indicative of your bias) between Muslims and Christians. You claim that the Iranian revolution “vindicated the extremists while ousting the moderates.” I agree that those who came to power in 1979 have been rather extremist in their views. I do not however agree that the Shah was a “moderate.” While he may have been thoroughly westernized, and was installed and supported by the U.S. and U.K. after the democratically elected leader of Iran nationalized the oil industry, the Shah relied on autocracy and state violence, epitomized by the SAVAK’s notoriously unlimited powers of surveillance and detention to rule Iran.

The notion that the Iranian revolution is the cause of current extremism does not match up with the facts. It is important to note that the vast majority of the terrorist attacks you listed came after the U.S. began stationing troops in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, the largest supporter of terrorism around the world has consistently been the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and members of the royal family. Not to mention that 15 of the 19 hijackers responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 were Saudi and all of them were Sunni. Iran is Shia. Linking the uniquely Shia experience of Iran and Hezbollah with the attacks of Sept. 11 and the larger project of al-Qaeda ignores the larger and older internal conflicts that have shaped modern Islam.

In conclusion, while I feel there are compelling arguments for continued U.S. involvement in Iraq, you did not make them.

I ask that if you would like to respond to my arguments, or would like more information about anything I have said, that you contact me directly. This offer extends to any member of the Wesleyan community.

Sincerely,

Benedict Bernstein

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8 responses to “Response to Matthew Nestler”

  1. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    In an interview last week with the washington post’s sally quinn, daisy khan lamented: “when will muslims be accepted as plain old americans?” teacher please let me answer daisy khan’s question..please please please .. Thank you .. Daisy..the answer to your question is ..never ! Never ! Never !.. Muslims will never be accepted as plain old americans or australians or british or dutch or indian or or any other country’s cool people .. Why ? Because blood always flows where muslims go.. In this day and age too and right from the time islam was cooked up to be choked down people’s throats by hook or by crook.. Mostly crooked. Have you read the koran daisy khan ? You look like an educated lady but are you really ? Logic is the corner stone of education. Education does not mean recitation. Recitation is the literal translation of the word koran. Education means logical thinking for self. What do you daisy khan see in the koran which all of us also have read and are reading and logically dustbining ? Where do you see logic in the koran ? You daisy khan are scared of admitting the koran is nonsense because it sanctions your murder if you question it . You are petrified to leave islam daisy khan . You are scared for your life so you argue for it . Were you born in islam daisy khan or did you fall into it ? Being born into islam is just very bad karma but to be educated and actually read about your miserable and horrible leader and yet stay in islam is an insult to your intelligence. Islam has an agenda of hate. Show me one good verse about any ..absolutely any other faith in your evil islamic texts and we’ll stop right here. Half sentences do not count like peace on earth which is half the sentence of peace on earth when the whole world is muslim. These half sentences are lies. Daisy khan you do know what lies are don’t you ? Daisy khan why don’t you get out of the cult of islam and try some other lifestyle like peaceful hinduism and buddhism or be an atheist ? If you do leave islam daisy khan please rest assured that your paranoid and 1400 years dead leader is not going to come after you with a cleaver and even if he did just about any cop on any street in this beautiful wide islam-free world would just shoot him dead in his tracks and save you . You know why daisy khan your mo boy would have to be shot ? Because your mo boy is a classic case of a mad man . Certified stupid and evil to the core. You can’t make evil this bad up. Your mo-boy was pure evil. And his even eviler invention alahh. A 1400 year old filthy imagination still feeding simple desert people to become mad. . Endangering evry non muslim life in today’s complex societies all over the planet . We can’t have a decent meal or hour long lazy chats without the evil of/from mecca creeping in and spoiling the moment. Daisy khan why don’t you get your rauf boy out of islam too ? Why not ? Would he kill you even for thinking that ? Why ? I’ll tell you .because it’s written in the dirty koran. That’s why !!!
    Tell the world some more lies daisy khan.. Tell the world some more lies..

    ”the refusal of the western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

  2. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    WHY IRAN MUST GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS:
    Iran must get nuclear weapons. It must start flexing it’s nuclear muscles and when that reaches a tipping point the field will be equal and war will be justified. Right now leveling iran would be foolish because then the islamic excuse would be they weren’t ready and garner pity. Not going to let that happen.
    Let iran start something and then watch what happens. The mushroom clouds will be so big all muslims will be able to see and meet their evil allah in a flash from all over the world. Do not under-estimate the wrath of the common non-muslim people on the planet. Muslims all over the planet will be hunted down and told to either get out of islam or die and meet their evil-allah post haste. This is not some day-dream .this will actually happen when iran and saudi arabia and Libya and all these islamic countries stop funding islamic insurgencies because their source of income is shut down by a war they have started and foolishly do not know how to end. Islam is not known for it’s logic. When the petrol money taps are shut down non muslims will be unforgiving in the bite back to islam. This will happen. Too many non-muslims will take the law into their own hands and will do what needs to be done. Islam will be on the run but will be hunted down and expunged from the planet. For this to happen iran has to have nuclear weapons first. When everything is in place their reactors will be their deaths in the millions. but the real clean-up will start outside Iran. Europe and Russia will lead the west and India and Australia will do the floor-wipe and all small islands and china will do it too. Right now there are muslims gathering in south America. let them gather. south Americans are merciless. they might be drug lords but they know evil is amongst them and will expunge it.
    This planet is fed up of this evil islamic nonsense cult.
    Hence Iran has to get nuclear weapons !!!
    Islam labels people who are all alike differently and builds walls separating them instead of bringing them together.
    Islam glorifies death by calling its murderers the soldiers of allah. Islam preaches superiority of the “we” and inferiority of the “other.” it is a creed steeped in superstition, demands blind obedience to authority, and sanctions just about every form of freedom. Everything in islam is in black and white. One is either muslim — good — or non-muslim — bad. Men are superior; women are subservient. This life is worthless and should be offered for the pleasure of allah as defined by the evil clergy.

    Islam is a creed of a primitive age. It is fixated in time and place; it harbors the ambition of taking the 21st-century world back fourteen centuries and ruling it by its dogma of intolerance, injustice, and death. Yet islam is not only an obsolete vestige of a defunct era, but itself is an infinitely fractured belief that can hardly put its own home in order. The numerous islamic sects are at each other’s throats; sub-sects and schools despise one another as much as they hate the non-muslims. Hatred, not love, drives islam.

    We have to try and avoid the yoke of islamic slavery and its blinders that imprison a billion and half people by walls of superstition, hatred of others, and celebration of death.

    It is distressing to witness islam making headway in the traditionally non-islamic lands. Masses of brainwashed faithful, semi-literate muslims, badly underserved in their own native lands, are moving to countries where the “infidels” welcome them with material wealth denied to them in their own homeland, as well as the liberty to subvert the very societies that give them refuge.

  3. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    Get your facts right girls and boys .islam is not a religion. islam is a cult. In the pure definition of a robber cult. Ever wondered why they hate dogs ?
    Because dogs can sense thieves and evil…and mohammad was both plus a pedophile plus a rapist plus too much evil to list here.
    Started by a mass murderer and a legendary pedophile. if you still do not know this fundamental fact about islam it is not your fault. but you are starting to learn. welcome to the world-wide awakening on the islam cult. even Muslim men are starting to realize in their born into the islam cult imprisoned states what muslim women always knew behind their burkhas and scars but are too scared to say it .islam is evil. And evil is rising.
    Mother nature is trying her level best to eradicate islam from her body but it’s taking too much time.. Maybe we should give her a helping hand ..after all she taught us the secrets of the atom.. Time to use the atomic stuff to eradicate this evil. Once and for all. Let us give mother nature a helping hand before all her body gets covered with the islamic eczema and she has to wear a burkha…god forbid.

    The dirtiest and filthiest stone in the world is in mecca.
    The faster we get rid of islam the better it is for all of us . Think of all the money we’ll save..
    A group of muslims is called “a fester of muslims.”.
    Let them build the mosque at ground zero. Taller than the towers. it’s fine. let bark Hussein oh!bama build a mosque on the white house lawns.. Taller than the white house. it’s fine. let prince Charles build one on the palace lawns. taller than the palace. it’s fine. let the pope build a mosque on the Vatican grounds. taller than the Vatican building. it’s fine ..the more mosques the better and the taller they are the better.. That is the only way common people will start seething at intrusive and evil islam. I predict that within a 100 years there will be no mosques left in this world and there will be no islam on the planet because saudi arabia and the muslim countries will be wiped out by the anger of the rest of the planet’s non muslim people. Islam is in it’s death swirl. but it is dying with a lot of blood and shouts. but it is definitely dying.. The mask of religion it has been hiding behind will soon be lifted off by the courts around the world.. People including muslims who actually think out of the box of islam are starting to see islam for what it is. Islam is a robber cult started by a women-hating mass murderer and a legendary pedophile amongst other things. Islam’s days are numbered.. Let us help them build their mosques so we can pull them down en-masse. Their daggers are out but we have our bulldozers and our logic.

  4. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    DO NOT BE AFRAID TO CALL ISLAM EVIL OR DIRTY OR FILTHY OR GUTTER CREED SLIME. THE KORAN CALLS ALL OTHER FAITHS AND PEOPLE AND COLORS VERY DIRTY NAMES . BLACK PEOPLE ARE RAISIN-HEADS AND ONLY TO BE SLAVES EVEN IF MUSLIM IN FILTHY ISLAM. JEWS ARE PIGS AND MONKEYS ACCORDING TO CREEPY ISLAM. AND THE LIST IS ENDLESS. READ IT FOR YOURSELVES. GO AHEAD FEEL FREE .CHECK OUT WHO YOU ARE IN THE GUTTER SLIME OF ISLAM. THESE DIRTY DEGENERATE TERMS WERE COOKED UP ON A DAILY BASIS BY THAT TOTAL PSYCHO MOHAMMAD IN THE DESERT HEAT AROUND NOTHING BUT SAND AND LOTS OF SPARE TIME. MOHA-MAD BOY IS THE CLASSIC TEXTBOOK CASE OF AN IDLE MIND AND HANDS BEING THE DEVIL’S WORKSHOP.

    EXCESSIVE PRAYING IS A SIGN OF LAZINESS.
    ISLAM HAS NO PRAYER ACTUALLY. ISLAM HAS JUST A BUNCH OF SLOGANS ABOUT A COOKED UP EVIL NUT CALLED ALLAH WHO’LL KILL THEM IF THEY DIDN’T AND HOW STUPID EVERYONE ELSE IS. IF ISLAM HAD NOT BEEN COOKED UP AND MO-BOY HAD NOT HAD SUCH AN ACTIVE AND EVIL IMAGINATION ARABS WOULD HAVE PETERED OUT AND GOT LOST IN THE TESTICLES OF DECENT MEN. BUT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AND ISLAM IS NOW SUCH A PROBLEM BECAUSE DECENT MEN HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY IT . THE FLASHPOINT IS BEING REACHED. DARK TIMES ARE COMING. DECENT MEN WILL HAVE TO FIGHT TOO. CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS LOVELY PLANET WITHOUT ISLAM. ISLAM IS A HERITAGE VANDAL. LIKE A RAMPANT GENETICALLY DEFECTIVE MONKEY IN A CHINA SHOP. AND RABID TO BOOT. THINK OF ALL THE CULTURES OF MAJESTIC INDIA LEFT IN PLACE INSTEAD OF THIS MESS YOU SEE IN THE NAME OF MURDERERS . REAL MAJESTIC INDIA IS AND WAS PRE-ISLAM VANDALISM. THINK OF BEAUTIFUL EUROPE IF THESE MUSLIM MONKEYS HAD NOT BEEN INVENTED IN THE DESERT HEAT AND DUST .THINK OF ALL THE BUDDHIST ART IN STONE ISLAM HAS DEPRIVED US OF APPRECIATING. THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE WAS MAGNIFICENT. DESTROYED BY ISLAM. ACCORDING TO ISLAM ONLY ARABIC SCRIBBLINGS IS ART AND THE BIGGER ALLAH IS WRITTEN THE MORE BEAUTIFUL IT IS …..YEAH SURE ! ISLAM NEEDS TO BE PUT TO SLEEP. I CAN’T IMAGINE THE BLOOD-SHED BUT IT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
    PRIMITIVE MAN WILL SURFACE FROM MODERN MAN TO CHALLENGE AND LANCE ONCE AND FOR ALL THE PRIMITIVE CULT OF ISLAM AT IT’S OWN GUTTER LEVEL. ISLAM IS THE NEXT SMALL POX THIS PLANET HAS TO ERADICATE. ONCE ISLAM IS OUT OF THE PLANETARY SYSTEM PC WILL ONCE AGAIN BE COOL AND GOOD MANNERS. WATCH !

  5. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    Congrats, you win the dhimmie award for the week.
    Rauf in an interview with Sa’da Abdul Maksoud on May 29, 2010:
    “Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern.”
    Now read carefully…http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3953628,00.html
    “RESEARCHERS LINK SCHIZOPHRENIA AND VIOLENT PSYCHOs DUE TO ISLAMIC VIELS AND BURKHAS”
    ‘Researchers say babies born with low vitamin D levels may have an increased risk of developing schizophrenia later in life.
    ‘The three-year study tested blood samples from babies in Denmark and found having low vitamin D levels doubles the risk of developing the disorder.
    ‘The findings could encourage pregnant women to get more sunshine or take a vitamin D supplement. {And NOT wear a burka or niqab! – dda}
    ‘Professor John McGrath, from the Queensland Brain Institute, says the study is further evidence of vitamin D’s link to brain development.
    “Many years ago we thought it was totally implausible to prevent schizophrenia, it seemed to be such a mysterious, poorly understood group of illnesses,” he said.
    “I think this new result suggests that maybe it will be possible to prevent schizophrenia.”
    Now, let’s think about it. Yemen. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. Afghanistan. The more rigidly-Muslim Muslims, everywhere; generations of women totally covered-up whenever they go outside.The likelihood that many or most of those women are Vitamin D deficient is high; and if they’re Vitamin D deficient during pregnancy, then their babies’ brain development may be seriously compromised.
    It should be noted that at the end of a news report on women being forced to wear hijab in Gaza University
    the following information was included:
    ‘Lack of Vitamin D because of veils”
    ‘A Jordanian study published this week asserted that 87% of women between the ages of 18 and 70 in Jordan suffer from a lack of Vitamin D as a result of insufficient sun exposure and not enough milk consumption.
    ‘The researchers linked this phenomenon to wearing the hijab. ‘According to the findings, **92% of women who wear a hijab suffer from a lack of Vitamin D** ‘This figure increases to 96%, according to the survey, when it comes to women who cover their faces as well with a niqab.”
    Put that information together with the results of the Danish study and it appears that those who wear the Muslim female slave rag, whatever form of it they wear, stand a very good chance of scrambling their babies’ brains. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE A WOMAN IN A BURKHA REMEMBER THE CULT OF ISLAM IS FORCING WOMEN TO LITERALLY BREED VIOLENT PSCHYCOS.

  6. dr.music Avatar
    dr.music

    PURE MUSLIM IS A TERM FOR A VERY VERY EVIL HUMAN BEING.
    INDIA PIONEERED MATHEMATHICS AND GAVE THE WORLD THE NUMER ZERO AND NOW INDIA HAS PIONEERED MOSQUE DEMOLISHING AND SHOWN HOW ISLAM SHOULD BE DEALT IT’S FINAL BLOWS……IT’S A SMALL START BUT A GOOD START. THE KHYBER PASS WAS INDIA’S CURSE. ANYWAY…. LET THEM BUILD MORE MOSQUES….AND MORE MOSQUES…. THE BACKLASH WILL BE SAVORY AND FIERCE…ISLAM IS IN IT’S DEATH RIGORS…HENCE ALL THIS SHOUTING AND KILLING AND BURNING…HAS TO HAPPEN….MECCA IS THE HEAD-QUARTERS OF ISLAM THE MAFIA CULT STARTED BY DON-MOHA-MAD….AS THE NAME SUGGESTS…A TOTAL LUNATIC.
    MOSQUES ARE JUST BUILDINGS …WE WILL SOON TEAR THEM ALL DOWN .
    KORANS ARE JUST WORTHLESS toilet-PAPER…WE WILL SOON BURN THEM ALL after using them to wipe out our you know what from our you know wheres.
    ISLAM IS JUST A NEW SMALL-POX….WE WILL SOON STAMP IT OUT AND ERRADIATE IT FROM OUR PLANET. BLOOD WILL FLOW…BUT WHEN HAS IT NOT SINCE ISLAM WAS INVENTED IN THE CRASSNESS OF THE DESERT.
    THE ERRADICATION OF ISLAM SHOULD BE CALLED OPERATION DESERT-GLASS.

    READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY… THE FOLLOWING IS ALSO ABOUT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN….COPY AND PASTE AND READ OFTEN AND GET PEOPLE TO READ IT TOO…
    A short list of MANY murderous verses in the filthy koran:
    “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Koran 9:30
    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
    Mohammed couldn’t read or write, so illiteracy is Sunna. And as he was a violent warlord, violence is Sunna. Sunna : Generally applied term in Islam, denoting what is the customary practice. Article in the LookLex / Encyclopaedia.
    FARSI QUOTATION FROM KOMEINI’S BOOK, TITLED “TAHIR-OL-MASAEL”.
    The innocent people of all races, religions, and cultures are at war with Islam. This is the hardest and most difficult concept for people to understand. The same materials being studied by Hamas, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and the Taliban are the exact materials being distributed across America and INDIA and everywhere that muslims reside…. and provided to innocent young Muslim children to study in order to be ‘Pure Muslim’. PURE MUSLIM IS A TERM FOR A VERY VERY EVIL HUMAN BEING.

    Islam is a cult and mosques are meeting halls for evil designs. Islam has no prayers …islam has just a bunch of slogans that slander the rest of the planet’s people who are not muslim and never will be. The mafia cult of islam was started by don moha-mad in the heat and dust of the arab desert. Don moha-mad was an uneducated evil man who must have been really evil and loony to frighten the half assed arabs. Islam is an evil cult masquerading as a religion.
    Soon the world court judges will call it’s bluff.
    Relax.

  7. Jake Williams Avatar
    Jake Williams

    The good doctor music reminds me of another doctor who had a dream….we need some more doctors like these for change that is important for our civilization.
    Doc music reminds me of another man telling the truth in Europe…Geert Wilders. Geert Wilders has my support and trust too.

  8. Sanjay Mishra Avatar
    Sanjay Mishra

    dr.music …well said…sometimes shouted but nessessary…absolutely.

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