The opinions, beliefs, and arguments of this opinion piece do not align with the viewpoints or priorities of The Wesleyan Argus as a student-led institution. Not only are the arguments in this piece generalized and oversimplified, but they fail to contextualize the Black Lives Matter movement and the systemic, historical background behind police violence against communities of color in the U.S. The Wesleyan Argus believes that writing articles pertaining to Black Lives Matter and institutional racism in the United States requires a much more comprehensive, reflective lens.

 

A 20-year-old man walks into a church and massacres nine people, claiming that he was afraid that America was being taken over by Black Americans, citing American race relations as evidence. About a month later, a man wears a GoPro, tapes himself walking up to a local reporter and a cameraman, and shoots them both on camera, proclaiming racial injustice in this country as his motive.

Police officers are looking over their shoulders as several cops have been targeted and gunned down. The week before classes started, seven officers were killed in the line of duty; a few were execution-style targeted killings.

An officer I talked to put it succinctly: “If they want to come after me, fine. Just come at me head on. Don’t shoot me in the back of my head. I’d rather go down with a fighting chance.”

Is this an atmosphere created by the police officers and racist elements in society itself? Many, including individuals in the Black Lives Matter movement, believe so.

Or is it because of Black Lives Matter? Many believe that as well, including a police chief who made his remarks after one of his officers was shot and killed—he claimed that Black Lives Matter was responsible for the officer’s death. Some want Black Lives Matter labeled as a hate group.

I talked to a Black Lives Matter supporter, Michael Smith ’18, who recoiled when I told him I was wondering if the movement was legitimate. This is not questioning their claims of racism among the police, or in society itself. Rather, is the movement itself actually achieving anything positive? Does it have the potential for positive change?

There is evidence to support both views. Police forces around the country are making more of an effort to be more transparent, have undergone investigations to root out racist officers and policies, and have forced the conversation to the front pages after being buried on the back pages for far too long.

On the other hand, following the Baltimore riots, the city saw a big spike in murders. Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home. The officer’s comments reminded me of what soldiers used to say after being hit with IEDs in Iraq. Police forces with a wartime-like mentality are never a good thing.

Smith countered with, “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

I responded with, “Isn’t that what the movement is doing with the police? Judging an entire profession off the actions of a few members?”

Hence, my concerns that the movement is not legitimate, or at the very least, hypocritical.

It is apparent that the man who shot the reporter and her cameraman isn’t a representation of Black Lives Matter. The question is whether or not the movement is setting the conditions of the more extreme or mentally disturbed individuals to commit atrocities.

Smith explained further. “Yes, but the police have an established system of reporting the bad officers. BLM is decentralized, they aren’t as organized. You can’t hold the more moderate elements responsible for what a crazy person does in their name.”

Perhaps. But that doesn’t explain Black Lives Matter rallies from cheering after an officer is killed, chanting that they want more pigs to fry like bacon. That wasn’t one or two people. The movement also doesn’t want to be associated with looters and rioters, calling them opportunistic. But it is plausible that Black Lives Matter has created the conditions for these individuals to exploit for their own personal gain.

I warned in an article last semester that a movement that does not combat its own extremists will quickly run into trouble. The reasons why are now self-evident. If Black Lives Matter is going to be the one responsible for generating these conversations, then a significant portion of that conversation needs to be about peace. They need to stand with police units that lose a member, decrying it with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian.

Smith does have a point, though. An organization cannot be labeled based of a small percentage of their membership. There is a reason why so many have shown up to protests across the country: there is clearly something wrong, and wrong enough to motivate them to exit their homes and express their frustration publicly. That is no small effort. The system is clearly failing many, and unfortunately they feel like they will only be listened to if their protests reach the front pages of the news. And so far, they are correct.

But this principle needs to be applied universally. I know many of us here at Wesleyan realize that most police officers are good people simply doing a service for their community, and that there are only a few bad apples. But those chanting to fry the pigs seem to have missed this message.

It boils down to this for me: If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message, then I will not support the movement, I cannot support the movement. And many Americans feel the same. I should repeat, I do support many of the efforts by the more moderate activists.

It is advice that I need to take myself. After the Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay marriage nation-wide, a few liberals gloated in a conservative political forum that I like to read. They were surprised by the reaction: every conservative who responded was happy with the ruling.

I realize that moderate conservatives need to speak up more as well. If we had, gay marriage might have been legalized years ago. Instead, I got the feeling that a lot of moderate conservatives were afraid of speaking up about the issue and being labeled as a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

I also understand the frustration of moderate Black Lives Matter members, like the one I talked to, about being stereotyped based off of a few radical and vocal members.

Kim Davis, the misguided clerk who is refusing to hand out marriage licenses, is a perfect example of this. As a conservative, it is infuriating to see one clerk in one city out of the thousands in conservative states making headlines, when the rest are handing out licenses with no issue. One clerk is making headlines and is being held up as evidence that conservatives hate homosexuality. Kim Davis generated a couple hundred supporters, a very small showing.

Yet I am not innocent when it comes to Kim Davis. I could have gone down to the courthouse and joined the counter protest, holding up a sign that says “conservatives for gay marriage rights,” and made a statement that Kim Davis is not representative of the mainstream conservative views. I don’t blame those who can’t support conservatives for not being more vocally pro-gay rights, though many liberal politicians were also silent on the issue during the 1990s and 2000s.

Returning to Black Lives Matter, the country is nervously waiting to see what happens next. The next unarmed civilian to be killed, the next officer to be killed, the next radical racist to take their views to the next level.

At some point Black Lives Matter is going to be confronted with an uncomfortable question, if they haven’t already begun asking it: Is this all worth it? Is it worth another riot that destroys a downtown district? Another death, another massacre? At what point will Black Lives Matter go back to the drawing table and rethink how they are approaching the problem?

Bryan Stascavage is a member of the Class of 2018.

  • Brick Tamland

    “Smith countered with, ‘You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.’

    I responded with, “Isn’t that what the movement is doing with the police? Judging an entire profession off the actions of a few members?’”

    Whammy. Right on the nose.

    Well done, sir. This is a tough subject for everyone, and I think you nailed a lot of key points.

    • Me

      No. The police are SYSTEMICALLY oppressive as an institution. That is the difference.

      • Spin

        This can be interpreted at least three different ways, it’s unclear what you mean:

        Do you mean systematically meaning “everywhere”? Racial discrimination seems to be more problematic in some areas.

        Are you saying that enforcing laws that maintain property rights is systematic oppression?

        Or are you saying that because police are part of the government, that dysfunctional policing means that part of gov’t is broken? I don’t think too many people are arguing that policing can’t be improved with respect to treating people as people. Finding officials (and techniques) able to do that without making it impossible for police to do their job is the hard (and expensive) part. For example, Mayor deBlasio came into power thinking the city had too many cops, and that reducing the number and money spent on policing would lead to better conditions for minorities. Instead reducing the number of cops lead to increasing stress on the remaining cops, with more examples of cops reacting badly to stress. Counterintuitive, and counterproductive. A more thoughtful approach is needed.

    • nononooooo

      I see your friend Bryan has a future writing for Buzzfeed. The problem with your friend’s reporting is that it lacks research. Officer Smith makes a very valid point, “you can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists,” that applies to the BLM movement as well. 1) Your friend’s article lacks scope because he’s relied on his own understanding. 2) He brings up a homicidal man who’s shooting of fellow journalists has no connection to the black lives movement, which tackles the systematic discrimination against black and hispanic individuals, as an example of the issues with the BLM 3) His writing is hypocritical as he mentions Officer Smith’s very valid point that “you can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.” Yet tries to paint the movement as holding hate for what a few extremists have done. Im a little older not by much, 27, and I would like to tell you younger ones a story. Growing up in a lower income community it was not news to hear of cops planting drugs/weapons on black and hispanic people, assaulting and or killing them. It WAS news however when I saw at 9 years old, the news finally reporting the egregious acts of criminal police officers in the case of the assault of Abner Louima (violently sodomized and later hospitalized for 2 months by police officers in brooklyn in 1997). The police officers lost their jobs and were convicted, not of assault, but of obstruction of justice…THIS RULING WAS OVERTURNED IN 2002. I was shocked again when the assault by police I had the opportunity to see in real life was again showed on network news in 1999 when Amadou Diallo, a taxi driver, was shot 41 times by 4 police officers in the Bronx. The four police officers were ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. One officer Kenneth Boss was essentially put on desk duty and requested that Ray Kelly grant him his gun back, ridiculous I know…the nerve AND he was given his gun back 13 years after the fatal shooting. 7 years later Sean Bell, a man about to get married, was gunned down, this time, with 50 shots into the innocent groom to be and they even took the time to reload. The officers involved were mostly fired. It is also necessary to add that these are the incidents that were reported. What happened to the people who were shot once or twice to death..that simply is not newsworthy so persons who rely on news for incidents of police brutality would never know the thousands of men and women killed by police in the last 20/30 years nevermind in the years before. I must also add that these criminal police officers all mentioned, with the exception of those in the Abner Louima case, received pensions upon their firing for $80k-upwards of 100k/year. So the message to a black girl in NYC growing up was that assault a black man no good. Kill a black man..quit the force or be fired and make $100,000 per year until I die. That, my friends, is what the black lives matter movement is trying to correct. So you asked “Is this all worth it?” YES. “Is it worth another riot that destroys a downtown district?” YES. I don’t stand for rioting but I do stand for protest and a great man once said “rioting is the language of the unheard”. These communities are tired of being unheard so try giving a listen. “Another death, another massacre?” Another death and another massacre occurs in our community whether it is upon your knowledge or not and often times the family of the victims receive no justice if the shooting is by an officer so… YES. “At what point will Black Lives Matter go back to the drawing table and rethink how they are approaching the problem?” Here, I will answer a question with a question… “At what point will you stop depending on the surface of what you see as what you know and when will you start to do your research?”

      • TrueStory

        If Bryan does not read and respond to this comment, his integrity as a journalist is invalid.

      • Brick Tamland

        You have too much time on your hand, friend. Get a hobby.

        Also: They’re called paragraph breaks. Use them. No one likes unreadable slabs of rambling blather.

      • Wow

        Hobby? How about a job??

      • Wow

        Bryan, nice article. You got the yuppies in a roar! This guy crying about research… Smh

      • Nathan

        Good luck getting ANY law enforcement types to help you out when you need it the most. I’ll repeat myself ONE MORE TIME!!!
        Prosecute the bad apples as they come along and quit stereotyping the hard-working, ill-appreciated remaining police officers. They put their life on the line EVERY DAY to make sure America remains’ a law-abiding society that isn’t reduced to rioting in the streets when things go south…
        Ferguson and Baltimore…the blame their is entirely at the feet of the BLM movement…and the opportunistic vultures that LOVE the media face time so they can be relevant again (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton…and that idiot cowboy-hat wearing politician from Houston)

      • Buck

        1) Your comment lacks scope because you’ve relied on your own understanding. 2) You bring up several cases that are about rape by a bunch of bad people that has nothing to do with BLM, 3) You ignore the chants and signs prevalent in most demonstrations.
        Sure, all of those drugs and weapons were planted on all of those black people and no black person ever committed any crime. Just like Michael Brown had his hands up, Trayvon was being chased and shot in the back, and Tyrone Harris, Jr. never touched a gun in his life.

      • Anonymous

        Hypothetical: You are a police officer called to the scene of a crime. You encounter a violent criminal who has caused damage to innocent civilians and/or their property. How do you wish the police handle this situation? What protocol do you propose the police use?

        I anticipate you have not drafted your own proposed protocol for apprehending violent criminals who are not likely to turn themselves in. Why don’t you take some time and consider how you would stop a violent individual and how you would want the police to stop a violent person who might harm your loved ones or your property. Draft out an unbiased protocol that police can apply in all situations.

        I would argue that it is unfair to criticize others (police forces attempting to stop violent criminals from harming communities) if you don’t have a better alternative to propose.

    • TrueStory

      Dude, your name is Brick.. I can’t listen to you.

      • Spin

        Child of Rock Hudson and Stone Phillips.

      • Brick Tamland

        You aren’t listening to me. You are reading words that I am typing.

    • Dylan A-C

      Yea, no. This is a horrible parallel. There’s a *massive* difference between the killing of an innocent officer by a civilian and the killing of an innocent civilian by an officer. We *give* the police the power to kill us because we *trust* that they will use it to protect us, and that bestows on them a massive responsibility which regular people—as well as members of BLM—simply don’t carry. We only give them this power because we basically *don’t* trust others in the general public to protect us, or to refrain from doing us harm. So when a citizen kills an officer, yes, that’s tragic, but when an officer kills a citizen it’s appalling. It’s completely reasonable in the wake of the latter to question the entire system of trust which enabled the killing—what the writer calls “judging an entire profession.” Yes, when a profession, whose sole purpose is to maintain public safety, systematically endangers a select portion of the public, that profession deserves criticism.

      There’s also a massive difference between being tangentially/ideologically connected to a movement and wearing a fucking badge, but I don’t even feel like that should have to be stated.

      • Anonymous

        Wow, they’ve really lowered the standards for admission into Wesleyan. When a citizen kills an officer, he’s committing a crime a notch higher murdering another citizen.

      • Nathan

        Soooooo, a police officer targeting and intentionally killing a civilian is somehow worse than a civilian intentionally targeting/killing a law enforcement officer in uniform? Your logic make absolutely no sense and leans toward that of a cop-hater.
        Grow up!!!

      • Dylan A-C

        You’re missing the point. Yes, it’s worse, but not because a citizen’s life is any more valuable than an officer’s; it’s worse because it’s a betrayal. That gives it a weight that demands a different kind of response.

        In the absolute simplest terms: when somebody kills an officer, they should be punished; when an officer kills somebody, they should be punished AND it should raise the question of “who the fuck hired this guy?”

  • Black Lives Matter; Take Pride In Parenting; End Our National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect; End Community Violence & Police Fear

    Speaking At The Eulogy For The Honorable Reverend Clementa Pinckney, President Barack Obama said:

    “Perhaps it causes us to examine what we’re doing to cause some of our children to hate.” (Applause.)

    Video Excerpt from Obama Remarks Search YouTube: /watch?v=2T_GwYI7MnQ

    With all due respect to my American neighbors supporting the Black Lives Matter movement, I believe your cause would better serve all Americans if your organization were to honestly, openly and compassionately address the National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect that for decades has deprived untold numbers of depressed children from experiencing and enjoying a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    I strongly suggest members of the Black Lives Matter target communities that have embraced The Street Culture Baltimore Mom of The Year Toya Graham desperately struggles to keep her son from embracing.

    In his 2015 Grammy award winning Rap Performance titled “I”, Kendrick Lamar writes, “I’ve been dealing with depression ever since an adolescent.”

    During a January 20, 2011 LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick, born in 1987, the same year songwriter Suzanne Vega wrote a song about child abuse and *VICTIM DENIAL* that was nominated for a Grammy award, he told the interviewer:

    “Lamar’s parents moved from Chicago to Compton in 1984 with all of $500 in their pockets. “My mom’s one of 13 [THIRTEEN] siblings, and they all got SIX kids, and till I was 13 everybody was in Compton,” he says.”

    “I’m 6 years old, seein’ my uncles playing with shotguns, sellin’ dope in front of the apartment. My moms and pops never said nothing, ’cause they were young and living wild, too. I got about 15 stories like ‘Average Joe.'”

    It seems evident to me Kendrick identified the source of his depression, the roots of poverty, the child abuse/maltreatment that prevented him, his brothers, sisters, cousins, neighborhood friends, elementary and JHS classmates from enjoying a fairly happy, safe Average Joe and Josie American kid childhood.

    Seems the adults responsible for raising the children in Kendrick’s immediate and extended family placed obstacles in their children’s way, causing their kids to deal with challenges and stresses young minds are not prepared to deal with….nor should they or any other children be exposed to and have to deal with.

    It seems evident to me these PARENTAL INTRODUCED obstacles and challenges cause some developing children’s minds to become tormented and go haywire, not knowing OR NOT CARING ABOUT right from wrong…because as they mature, young victims of child abuse realize their parents introduced them to a life of pain and struggle, totally unlike the mostly safe, happy life the media showed them many American kids were enjoying. RESENTMENT

    I cannot speak for anyone else, but if I was raised in Kendrick’s family I would most likely be silently peeved at my parents for being immature irresponsible “living wild” adults who deprived me of a safe, happy childhood.

    Though like many victims of child abuse, most likely I would deny my parents harmed me, seeking to blame others for the pain my parents caused to me.

    I wonder how little Kendrick and his classmates reacted when their elementary school teacher introduced the DARE presenter and they learned about the real dangers of drugs and how they harm people, including their parents?

    In a Oct 25, 2012, LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick talks about being a SIX-YEAR-OLD child who was not able to trust and rely on his mom…essentially he speaks about being emotionally abandon by his own mom.

    Growing up during the 60-70s I listened to virtually ALL American music artists of African descent writing songs admiring, praising, respecting and loving the maternal half of our population.

    I am curious to know if members and supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement have wondered why for the past three decades, many popular American music performers of African descent have been characterizing the maternal half of our population as *itches and *hores…essentially less than human creatures or people not worthy of respect?

    Honestly, I have a feeling most BLM supporters don’t have the strength or will to face the truth about who is responsible for filling our prisons with depressed, angry, frustrated teens and young men who were victims of early childhood abuse and neglect at the hands of immature teen girls and women who irresponsibly begin building families before acquiring the skills, PATIENCE and means to properly raise a fairly happy American kid who enjoys a Safe Fun Street to play in.

    This video depicts horrific examples of men who were victims of childhood abuse and neglect, conditioning a young teen to embrace ‘The Street’ culture Baltimore Mom of The Year failed to protect her teen son from…not to mention representing the fear peaceful people living and WORKING in the community experience knowing depressed, angry, unpredictable teens and young adults need to vent their angers and frustrations for being introduced to a life of pain and struggle by irresponsible, “living wild” single moms and/or dads.

    Search youtube; /watch?v=C3ChOLiJa8k

    With all due respect to my American neighbors of African descent, the oppression of humans that led to racism and slavery has been replaced with a new form of human oppression that impedes and deprives many American children from experiencing a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    #RestorePrideInParenting
    #EndChildAbuseNeglect
    #ProtectKidsFromIrresponsibleCaregivers

  • curiousgeorgie

    Excellent article Bryan.

    • nononooooo

      he wrote some words on a webpage bravo!! this is not journalism. expect more for yourself and others.

      • curiousgeorgie

        I don’t understand all the animus that this post received. I’m not a journalist or a Wesleyan student. I simply voiced my opinion which is no more or no less valid than yours.

        It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?

      • nononooooo

        follow me here georgie…I was asking you to expect better journalism that is researched and well thought out. I never implied you were a journalist nor that your opinions were invalid. But I can see now, due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence, that this may indeed pass for good piece of journalism for you.

      • curiousgeorgie

        Insults?? They’ve taught you well. I am not in need of your advice, insults or instruction for anything.

      • nononooooo
      • curiousgeorgie

        A liberal for sure, nononooooo. Nasty, condescending, know it all. I do not know why you felt the need to tell me I should not comment positively on an article. I am not the author’s professor, I was not grading it. You seem to have a personal problem with the fact that this was published in the college paper. Grow up.

      • nononooooo

        Liberal or conservative doesnt matter. no matter what political affiliation you are you ought to expect that news, any form of it, is researched beyond your own scope. I didnt agree with your assessment of the article so I said so and gave my reason. I never wrote you had no right to express your opinion. You are not a professor, you are a reader, when you read you are supposed to gain knowledge. When the report lacks reasonable investigation you are belittled and misinformed. Im not liberal nor am I a conservative. I find that bipartisan grouping to be dangerous and leaves a lot of issues in gray. I hope this is a grown up enough response for you.

      • mctommy

        Nononooooo, When you grow up, I hope you come to understand that smug, petulant sarcasm reflects well on neither you nor your points. Regardless of your reaction to Bryan’s opinion piece, there are ways to communicate that are effective, and those that are not.

      • nononooooo

        the truth is the truth. It doesnt matter whether a petulant person speaks it and a lie is a lie whether or not it is delivered politely. The problem with society these days is that things need to be lightly put to you so that you feel comfortable and sweet. I dont care about your feelings, I respond to truth and I respond to the perpetuation of lies that’s it. You can deliver it sarcastically, sardonically, on your head, from a plane, it doesnt matter to me because whatever you write I will try to see whether it’s true or not. Bryan seems to be apart of your school of thought where BLM is concerned. It doesnt make him comfortable and thus he has a hard time accepting it. The truth is the truth a movement like BLM is overdue and any movement that hails the rights of the oppressed will make insecure folks who are part of the majority worry that they are not at the center of the discussion. (The kinds of folks who, when people laugh, if they dont understand the language/joke assume everyone’s laughing at them) I dont blame all white people for social injustices, I dont blame all cops for police brutality so when you read articles you don’t have to worry “are they talking about me?!” all the time because the sun doesnt rise and set upon you alone. When dealing with a topic where that majority’s issues is not at the center a person of the majority might find that they actually have to do some real investigation into the issues and at any point they may be wrong in their assessment so it makes them feel uncomfortable. You want to be handled with child gloves and made to feel fuzzy inside, I dont know where to tell you to go bc I have never seen a place where people are polite and honest nor uabashedly truthful yet sweet. The fact still remains that Bryan has not investigated this piece. you can call me a child but guess what, children are most known to be honest, so I’ll happily stay childish.

      • Nathan

        Yes, a movement like BLM is long overdue….now, quit blaming the problem entirely on the police and focus on the area mostly to blame…the black community. You want statistics and facts? Look up the black-on-black crime statistics in every major city in America with a sizeable black population and you will be slapped in the face with the enormity of it. Are there bad apples in the police? Absolutely…just like there are bad apples in any other major group/organization. BLM attacking the police reminds me of the following quote:

        “When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you.”

        BLM, and other organizations playing the blame game might want to pay heed…

      • nononooooo

        I agree with you. Everyone needs to do work. When black people commit crimes they go to prison and police officers by in large do not go to prison for their crimes. This year, which is not over, more people were killed due to police brutality than US armed forces in the Iraq War. We wouldn’t classify the police as a hate group though. BLM is vying for legal justice for those thousands dead. What is annoying to me is that this is an issue of justice and it has become a republican vs democrat/ black vs white issue. Black lives matter seems to annoy white people because they feel they are not included in the title so they prefer chanting All lives matter…then fine all lives matter, which means you’d be citing instances of police brutality against white people, brown, black, etc…but thats not what happens..they will say all lives matter now lets move on from this topic. BLM isnt saying ONLY black people matter, they are saying black people matter so stop violating our rights and if you do, you ought to serve the time just like us. I also remember a quote “one nation, under God, indivisible, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL” not some, “ALL.”

      • Nathan

        Prosecute rogue police officers as needed, but for the love of God quit painting law enforcement as the big bad wolf, whose sole purpose in life is to stomp on the heads of the poor and downtrodden of our society…that is cheap, crass and utter garbage!!! I retired last year after 23 1/2 years in the United States Navy/Navy Reserves, and I count MANY law enforcement types as friends and fellow members of the military. They are honorable people doing a hard job and get crapped on constantly by a very unappreciative community.
        BLM needs to clean up their message and knock off the violent shenanigans…otherwise law-abiding citizens like myself are never going to agree or support their cause. There are ways to get your message across in a positive manner and I’m sorry, but screaming “fry ’em like bacon…” is NOT the way to do it.

      • Anonymous

        Nathan: RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON! (A little “down for the shtruggle lingo”) Thanks for serving. Most of us couldn’t.

      • Buck

        “This year, …, more people were killed due to police brutality than US armed forces in the Iraq War.” How many people have been killed by police brutality this year? Do you mean US deaths throughout the Iraq War (4,425) or “this year” (0)?

      • Voice_of_Reason

        nononoooo, since Obama essentially abandoned Iraq to ISIS, it would seem logical that more Americans were killed by police than by service in Iraq this year. What the hell is your point?

      • Hardfloor

        Not so much a child as an asshole.

      • nononooooo

        and im sure when/if you respond you will not be able to give any evidences supporting claims made by Bryan, if you do it will be from a site that is at a buzzfeed/wikipedia level of news, you will perhaps call me a liberal, and/or call me childish again. This exchange is so predictable.

      • nononooooo

        “It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?” I wonder if this is an insult…wait I do believe it is. I can’t stand people who throw a stone and hide their hand if you dont want to be insulted dont insult.

      • DKE Bro

        Is it Roth Jong Un? My Korean is a little rusty

      • Anonymous

        It’s only $60,000 a year and you get large fries and a plastic toy with your diploma. Some administrators are talking about eliminating the plastic toy, but if you eat the fries you won’t have anything to show on your job interviews.

      • KatelynsNana

        Insults such as “due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence?” sheesh, sounds like pot and kettle.

      • nononooooo

        yes. an example of cause “It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?” and effect “due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence?”

      • Nathan

        If Wesleyan is stifling free speech when that speech is from a conservative aspect, then yes, they are in fact teaching liberal intolerance…this is a very black and white issue (no pun intended)… ;)

      • Anonymous

        NONONOOOOO: You sound like a little creep. A lot of us thought the guys Op Ed was reasonable and well written. He’s a 30 yr old man who’s been on a few tours of the mid-east Hell hole. My opinion of him is that he is a good guy that won’t be cowed by little Leftist Snowflakes. I’d bet you’d wet your pants if somebody looked at you the wrong way for BEING A LITTLE CREEP.

      • Hardfloor

        You understand this is an opinion piece and not “journalism”, right? I mean he’s marshaling sentiment, argument and maybe a wee bit of evidence to try and make a point about political movements and the impact of fringe extremists in a polarizing time. It’s not a particularly great job – primarily because he takes the Virginia journalist murder as somehow related to BLM which is demonstrably incorrect. one could undoubtedly identify better examples to support the point, but it would still be a fairly innocuous right-leaning oped in a student newspaper. And he does raise at least one point very well: it’s hard for anyone to overcome the tendency to excuse ones own in-group while excoriating one’s out group.

      • theturdz

        better writing than you see from most AA admits in my experience

      • Trudy

        This Disqus user “theturdz” is a pathetic abusive loser, violating copyright laws by using my avatar that I photographed of myself (I am ‘thetrudz’ and ‘gradientlair’ on Twitter; this person misspells my handle and uses my images) and has been targeting me with harassment via “parody” accounts that White-owned social media companies Twitter and Disqus allow: twitter.com/theturdz and disqus.com/by/theturdz. These companies allow abuse of WoC.

      • John George

        Good grief! Check your privilege at the door.

  • OO

    this article is fucking trash

  • OO

    zero understanding of institutional racism. “Is this all worth it” …. are you serious. You really hit the BLM movement with “I warned [you] in an article last semester…”

  • Tamira Wright

    To the author of this article, I encourage you to do more research to better understand the real purpose of the BLACK LIVES MATTER movement. Instead of giving you a long response about what the movement is REALLY about, you should invest your time in independently looking to further understand what the movement is truly trying to express. As a SOC, I am disappointed in the fact that you failed to educate yourself prior writing this article. LISTEN to the individuals on this campus who are active participants in this movement, and maybe you can avoid making problematic and privileged statements about what is happening in this country.

    • Cliff’s Tux-table

      Wait, you’re a Soc? Are you still looking for Ponyboy and Johnny and the rest of those Greasers that stabbed your buddy?

    • Anonymous

      What of this quote at the Minnesota state fair march : “Pigs in a Blanket, Fry Them Up!” The BLM were very prominent yelling that as they were escorted for their safety by…pigs.

      • KatelynsNana

        Or, “what do we want?” “dead cops” “when do we want them?” “now!” That was in New York, and what happened? Two patrolmen (persons if you insist:) murdered in their car by ambush, by a total coward.

        Guess they don’t remember “burn this b**ch” down,” either, do they?

        The current iteration of BLM has much for which to answer. cheers

    • Buck

      For those of us not on campus, and having all sorts of trouble understanding what the BLACK LIVES MATTER movement is all about, can you summarize 1) what you want 2) how you plan on getting it. You’ll be graded on realism and detail. Bonus points: Don’t use the term “whitey.”

  • Anonymous
  • This article is horse shit

    As a white person you must know a lot about how POC are targeted and dehumanized by police on a regular basis. So glad you had the courage to tell all POC that their feelings based off of their experiences with oppressive law enforcement are invalid.

    But seriously, the only time POC “guilt trip” white people about their very real privilege is when they pretend it doesn’t exist despite incarceration statistics (among others) that indicate otherwise. Even as a black dude, most of my friends are white, and they have enough intellectual integrity to acknowledge that there is a stark disparity in how people are treated under the law when it comes to ethnicity. Wake up.

    • Bryan Stascavage

      Hi,

      Thank you for your feedback.

      I’m treating BLM as a movement and developing intellectual argument like any other. And like any other, it should be open to criticism. That is equality.

      v/r – Bryan

  • OO

    this is an onion article fr fr

  • gsmoove94

    lolwut?

  • Yohance35

    Come for the statistic showing that, in fact, attacks and murders of police in the line of duty are at their lowest in 25 years, stay for the entertaining comedic take on news: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/d3hxfp/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-trickery-dickery-fox—phony-war-on-cops

    • Buck

      I don’t get my statistics from Comedy Central. Murders of policemen were lower in 2013 and rose in 2014, and quite likely to rise again this year.

      • Yohance35

        The statistic mentioned in the Comedy Central bit was actually from a CNN news segment, but if you want a more, idk, academic reference see this NPR article, which has an analysis of FBI data done by a University of South Carolina law professor and former law enforcement officer showing that, while rates in 2013 were lower, that’s because 2013 was an anomaly and that the rates of police killings this year have been about average for years since 2000. http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no

      • Anonymous

        What about the statistic that I saw recently in a major American daily that 80% of people shot by police were carrying a weapon?

  • You Suck

    Why did you even bother with the interview of the BLM supporter? You clearly are a racist piece of trash who would never change his/her mind anyway

  • Another Alum

    The Black Lives Matter movement arguably started in July 2013 after Zimmerman was acquitted.

    U.S. Officer deaths by year, followed by shooting-related deaths:

    2010: 161, 60
    2011: 171, 73
    2012: 126, 50
    2013: 107, 33
    2014: 117, 48
    2014 (January through September 16): 81, 36
    2015 (January through September 16): 88, 28

    How can you say that the Black Lives Matter movement has contributed to more officer shootings/targeting? Extremists exist independent of the movement.

    • Bryan Stascavage

      Hi,

      I did look at this data before writing the article and it is true that officer deaths in the past year are down about 8%.

      However, I cannot remember another time in recent history when we had seven killed in the same week, a few of those execution style. The drop in deaths could be due to police officers not patrolling areas, taking extra precautions for safety, etc because they know the target on their back is so big. The issue is a lot more complex then it first appears at the surface.

      Statistics can be twisted and presented to say whatever one wants. That is the power and beauty, but also can distract.

      v/r – Bryan

      • Correlation vs causation

        your argument my friend is what we refer to as a very weak correlation. You can’t assume a causal relationship just because A happens to happen while B is happening. There are million of other reasons I could potentially attribute to the seven deaths of police officers other than the movement in question. If you have an issue with the movement, I don’t think is a very logical way of questioning it.

      • nononooooo

        Couple questions:
        7 deaths in a week in a year that saw 8% drop should have BLM classified as a hate group?
        Do you reread what you write after you write it?
        Did you ask the police officer what they do in their departments to weed out the bad eggs?
        (Many of these officers involved in shooting have had offenses in the past.)
        Did you ask the officer If he is going back to the drawing board to correct any of the issues BLM raises?
        If BLM is asking for police to be held accountable for their criminal activity where is the hate in that?
        Why don’t we see more cops like Dustin Alex Stone coming forward?

        If I am to ever trust in blue, Im going to have to see at least see some effort on their part to at least acknowledge that there is a problem in the force and they are trying to rectify it. Every time I hear an officer speak out about BLM it is with disdain. It is not, “well I dont agree with their tactics BUT there is a problem.”

      • Bryan Stascavage

        Hi,

        I appreciate you trying to engage on this, it is a difficult subject and I would like to clear one thing up. I understand you are angry and I’m not taking your personal attacks against me personally.

        I think you need to go back and re-read the article. At no point was I saying that I believe BLM should be classified as a hate group, and I don’t think it is a hate group. I was simply showing that a backlash against BLM is growing, and some people think it is a hate group.

        My big takeaway that I was going for was that BLM should reanalyze their tactics and incorporate a much stronger message of peace. How is that controversial?

        I attempted to show both sides of the argument as well, but unfortunately, many of those outraged have blinders on that only allow them to see the parts of the article that they deem offensive without any context of what I was truly trying to say.

        To address a comment you made below, I did acknowledge several times I do agree and support the more moderate goals and messages of the movement, and did say that they have achieved some successes. I do know of the times the police has resulted in innocent deaths, and I do think they should be held more accountable. I’m not defending the actions of the bad officers nor their leaders who allow them to continue operating. I’m defending the 99.9% of officers who sincerely want to make our cities a better and safer place for all, regardless of race, status, or influence.

        My question to you is why do you think BLM is above being analyzed and criticized? If you think BLM is a perfect movement with no flaws, then I can understand your anger. But if we are to realize that the movement has the potential for a lot of positive change, why would we not want to correct the areas that BLM is lacking to ensure that potential is realized?

        v/r – Bryan

      • nononooooo

        You really never answered any of the questions posed to you. “However, I cannot remember another time in recent history when we had seven killed in the same week, a few of those execution style.” So based on that answer I wanted to know if you believe that 7 deaths in a week in a year that saw 8% drop should have BLM classified as a hate group? (seeing as you avoided the question I’ll ask again) “My big takeaway that I was going for was that BLM should reanalyze their tactics and incorporate a much stronger message of peace. ” What is controversial is you speak on BLM as if they have perpetuated messages of war by giving examples of extremist who chant about frying bacon. ” I’m defending the 99.9% of officers who sincerely want to make our cities a better and safer place for all, regardless of race, status, or influence.” How can they defend these cities by not addressing any of the issues BLM has raised? I do not think BLM is above being analyzed, I do below you are below meeting the call to do that analysis due to your lack of research AND if you could please answer at least 2 of the questions I originally posed if you are going to take the time to respond to comments regarding your article.

      • nononooooo

        It really isn’t a difficult subject for me and it isn’t a difficult subject for most people who have been violated or have witnessed the constant brutality first hand. It is wrong. full stop.

      • Buck

        There are lots of wrongs in this world. Why you think that Bryan Stascavage can solve them in a forum is as absurd as the BLM movement. Burning down Baltimore and Ferguson is not a great thing. Building something that lasts is. You hold this author to such a high standard, and then fill your attacks with anecdotes and provably wrong statistics. You want to save black lives? You think they matter? Then prove it. Do something positive. Write an action plan. Find a way to execute that plan. Just don’t let “steal all the prescriptions from my neighborhood CVS and sell them on the streets” be your answer for funding.

      • Disappointed

        Not sure why the first post was referred to as angry. I don’t see anger at all. And it’s unfortunate that when we react, albeit calm and calculated, we are labeled as “angry.”

      • wesgrad

        Bryan –

        “I did look at this data before writing the article and it is true that officer deaths in the past year are down about 8%.”

        I didn’t realize this. So you’re saying the BLM movement may be having positive results? Saving police officers’ lives?

        That’s awesome!

        Thanks Bryan :)

    • Jim Scotts

      Seriously? Police officers continue to be saved by the bullet resistant vests that they wear on a daily basis. To think that while you get to wear your cargo shorts and tee shirt, cops out there have to put on 40 pounds of equipment to ensure your safety and freedom all the while you despise their existence. You are a Grade A moron!

  • disgusted ’13

    wow how did this piece of trash get published in the argus? wtf. argus editors, please… edit? review? read?! articles that are racist, ignorant, and poorly thought out before putting them up here. just wtf.

    • renouncing the argus ’13

      not even journalism.

    • opinion piece

      It’s an opinion piece, and all opinion pieces are published without editing similar to wespeaks.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, no disagreeable ~feelings~ should be written. Monolithic thoughts rule, as students can’t debate intellectually? It’s too scary? Wow. Your parents should demand a refund.

  • uyy vey

    Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump for President. Black Lives Matter

  • Washington Post

    I know you claim to have researched the statistics before writing this article, but take a moment and read this:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/

  • yikes

    oh oops, you caught me, i absolutely don’t care about the police who operate under systematic racism. i don’t understand why you’re more worried about a policeman’s feelings than a black person’s life. they aren’t going to get hurt just because the BLM vilifies them. black people, though? we’ll continue to get shot until people understand that black lives do actually matter

    • Spin

      What? Are you being sarcastic? Cops definitely do get hurt and shot when they are vilified. You’re not helping your point by being ignorant and callous toward the other side.

  • a hate group lol

    lol @ this whole mess of an article

  • Kieran Coyne

    There is some very fundamental misunderstanding going on here. I urge you to stop writing about this kind of thing.

    • Spin

      What? Explain.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, the author should ignore any meaningful dialogue, right? Life is all unicorns and happy faces. Lower your eyes, make no eye contact and by all means as University students let’s head for our “trigger rooms” and pretend everything is happy!

      Disgusting. I give him credit for bravery rather than cowardice. Until the happy pony folks grow a pair Wesleyan students are sheep, sadly.

      • Kieran Coyne

        Kathy, what are you talking about? I come from a long line of conservative Irish Americans. There have always been, and still are, many cops in my family. So, I am not approaching this conversation with the kind of kushy academic or elitist or intellectual or sophisticated or have-time-to-sit-around-and-contemplate-life-all-day-because-my-parents-have-money background that you seem to be pinning on me. Luckily, my mother and father realized that much of their (hard working and loving, yes) conservative family was living in the past, at least in terms of their approach to social issues. They noticed patterns in the way that the conservative thought process seems to leave out any consideration for the people who are actually victims of racism (and homophobia, and sexism, etc. – the list goes on), in this country. This author should, instead of talking about how racist police officers are just a few bad apples (which is just not true), and instead of talking about how members of the Black Lives Matter movement “need” to decry the death of a police officer “with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian,” ACTUALLY LISTEN. No, Black Lives Matter doesn’t NEED to do anything (btw, you clearly do not understand how fucked up it is of the author to accuse the members of this movement of being hypocritical, and to even bring that up when there’s wildly more important stuff at stake here). Instead, people like this author NEED to stop looking for holes, and for points of attack, in this and other movements that they don’t like because of how they destabilize the fucked up system (and I get that this is difficult to grasp when people don’t realize how fucked up and racist the system is, so it feels as though this kind of ‘good-natured’ criticism makes sense). Murders committed against cops are obviously not somehow equal to murders BY cops that are disproportionately aimed at people of color (hint: the former is obviously tied to a long American history of dehumanization of black people by people in power, a dehumanization that obviously continues today). The author should not “ignore any kind of meaningful dialogue” – he should just listen to it with a little more effort and a little more openness.
        Also, you need to fall back, Kathy.

      • Kieran Coyne

        To my Wesleyan friends: my sloppy writing in the first couple sentences might kind of makes it sound like I am a conservative, or at least a fiscal one. I am most definitely a full blown liberal. Just wanted to clear that up.

      • Anonymous

        Nah, you’re crystal clear. All good.

      • Anonymous

        Just so I understand:
        1. The author should be talking about “how racist police officers are just a few bad apples (which is just not true). Ipso facto, it is the rule that by and large LEO are racist, homophobic, sexist. It is not the exception.
        Not true. LEO protects all citizens, including whites, blacks, purple dinosaurs, etc. and usually they run TOWARD danger. Do you really think they stop to ponder whether a person in need is gay or straight?
        2. It is unacceptable to you that the author should “bring this stuff up” since the world is so “fucked up” and there is “wildly” more important “stuff” to discuss.
        Such as? This was his topic. What should the approved topics be?
        3. NEED is an important word for you, Kieren. “Need” in your context is all about telling others what they “Need” to discuss or “Need” to believe or “Need” to ~feel.~
        Grow up. We live in a country where there is freedom to debate and discuss. Perhaps the DPKR is more suited to you. There the “Need” to discuss a particular topic is moot. Cool, huh?
        4. The author should “listen” to his intellectual betters, yes? In other words, sit down and shut the hell up.

        I understand you, KIERAN. As an American (?) you disappoint.

      • Kieran Coyne

        1. I never said that “by and large LEO are racist, homophobic, and sexist,” although the kind of racism that exists in all groups and within all work environments certainly has a greater outlet for expression in the unique, often quite militaristic power dynamic that is police-civilian relations. Additionally, we can take the example of police departments up here in the Tri-State Area to raise another point about the cyclical nature of racism in certain institutions. These departments draw particularly strong representation from working-class Irish and Italian Americans whose fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. also served in the force and tend to pass down their predominately conservative outlook on race (outlooks which date back to a time when these ethnic groups were also marginalized in society and, therefore, rivaled blacks in the struggle for jobs and ultimately respect in what I think we can agree was a tightly structured and racist hierarchy) to their sons, nephews, etc. who, of course, affirm their inherited suspicions toward black people through their repeated negative interactions with black civilians in the low-income areas in which they serve.

        2. I think you are mocking the language I used? I don’t claim to be incredibly articulate. I admit that I am still gradually learning how to write and trying to develop a voice. But, in this case especially, I was more concerned with getting my ideas across to you.

        3. I think you missed the point. When the author says, “they need to stand with police units that lose a member, decrying it with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian,” he is not only speaking completely out of his place as a white man, but he is also completely wrong! Please try to imagine what the concept of the police might mean for black people in America. Why should members of #BlackLivesMatter have any respect or an institution that oppresses them to a disproportionate extent (that is a fact) and, for the most part, gets away with it. Here we not only have a police institution that dehumanizes people of color, but also a country and lawmakers and governors that allow that to happen.

        4. I think the author should just read a little bit more of the literature that comes from the left and that is written by people of color. The key thing here is not to read this stuff and try to find the holes in it as a conservative reader, but to try to read it with an open mind and with a consideration of how a person of color might feel differently from you (you as in Kathy, the author, or anybody) in a world that has repeatedly viewed her as the other and placed her on the margins.

      • Anonymous

        One last question, KIEREN and I’ll leave you to your conscience. Because clearly our dialogue is not about Black Lives Matter. It’s about the freedom of expression.

        Above you say “You need to fall back, Kathy.” Please tell me what that means.

        Thank you.

      • Anonymous

        Ken Haim agrees with me, BTW.

  • Matt

    Absurd argument, summarized by the writer’s belief that he “support[s]… the efforts by [sic] the more moderate activists.” He doesn’t even realize that his invented term “moderate activist” is an oxymoron.

    • Jane Fonda’s Spandex

      Pray tell, how is “moderate activist” oxymoronic? As far as I know, being an activist doesn’t automatically disqualify one from being moderate–in either opinion or action.

      • Buck

        (forgive him, he had to write a forum entry as an assignment for a grade. using [sic] gave him bonus points.)

  • Alum

    Why even bother expressing your opinion in the Argus? You will influence no one, aggravate everyone, and pretty much set yourself up for social ostracization. Liberals are only effective because they yell the loudest. But the BLM movement will accomplish nothing.

    • Spin

      Because some of the lessons is learning how to express yourself, even more important in a hostile atmosphere. And learning how groupthink works. And teaching the entire community how to deal with people of different backgrounds. Wesleyan is tasked with not ostracizing someone who thinks a bit differently, but is obviously trying in good-faith to make a positive contribution. I hope the community rises to the occasion, and doesn’t bully him. (The Argus staff editorial seems like bullying to me, Bryan did exactly what he is supposed to be doing.) Bryan seems to have a strong backbone, and I wish him well.

      • Jim Scotts

        BLM has accomplished a lot! They have allowed crime to increase in almost all major cities where black lives live thus affecting all black lives by subjecting them to more criminal behavior. Good job!

      • Anonymous

        Jim Scotts….Isn’t that the truth. The cops in Baltimore (black/white/Hispanic/Asian, etc.) just won’t go into those scumbag areas anymore. They now beef up the perimeter so the scum are not able to victimize the people that live in law abiding areas. OH, THAT’S RACISSS!

      • Anonymous

        The origin of BLM is based on the lie that The Gentle Giant, he was such a nice boy, just walking down the street, dreaming of collitch, was a victim not a perp. I was in Philly when a group of these idiots blocked off a street, lay down, and wrecked EVERYBODY OF EVERY RACE’S DAY JUST TRYING TO GET TO WORK. Yeah, and writing on your face is really special. For a 4 year old.

    • aklsjdf

      I have no fucking clue where Wesleyan University is, and I read it, here, in New York. Oh look, it’s in Connecticut, near CCSU, where I took a summer class once – cool.

      I think it is a great opinion piece, and the author should be proud of his work. I am especially impressed with the level of critical thinking, given the state of university education. Any censorship of any kind is a big no-no in my book. College campuses and student populations are becoming the most uninteresting groups to be around. There is no such thing as a right to NOT be offended.

      BLM can be a tremendous movement, but it could also implode itself. They control their destiny.

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps free speech is a trigger that requires a safe room?

      • Nathan

        My safe room is my house…step inside unannounced or uninvited and you’ll find out why… ;)

      • NavymanBill

        I find the intolerance of college campuses these days very disturbing. the profs have become the “thought police”. This one-sided “open mindedness” is disgusting. Pretty soon there will be book-burnings!! Who does THAT remind you of??!

      • Anonymous

        Book burning is alive and well. In Europe…say France for a fine example! The poor/elderly can’t afford energy as the Left has priced it out of their reach (hmmmmm…Didn’t Barry O say that was his plan a few years back in an interview he thought would not come back to haunt him?)…..They die of hypothermia in the winter and heat stroke in the summer. But those old books sold at the discount bins, the real thick ones burn slower than wood, so that is what they do for a treat. Burn a book and hold their hands up to the warmth. THE LEFT, SO CARING AND EVOLVED.

  • Supermartinguy

    Look, while the argument of Cops feeling like they’re in a warzone is valid, can we stop using the reporter as some kind of smoking gun (no pun intended). He was crazy. He had as much to do with BLM as the Columbine Kids had to do with DOOM. It’s a moot point.

  • I can’t believe what some of these comments are saying. I’m really disappointed, Wesleyan.

  • Billy the Kid

    So what you are trying to say is that positive and meaningful change happens by doing nothing? Why not provide some solutions to the problems we face instead of promoting a nation of over lookers. Bryan, you seem like the type of person to sit back and watch their best friend get jumped and dignify your decision not to act with “Well, I’m trying to get into a good college.” Never have I ever read an article that needed a WTF meme more. I feel bad for the people that had to lie to you when you asked them if this was a good article.

    • Negative vibes

      I somehow doubt you would be happy with Bryan’s suggestions were he to give them to you. In any case, that’s not the point of what he did here.

  • disappointed white student

    Bryan my dude, you demonstrate zero understanding of social movement theory or of the history and realities of systemic racism and white supremacy in our society’s government, economy, and culture. This is poorly written and badly researched bro. Why did you publish this? Please respond to this comment, I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought this article would accomplish/what contribution you intended to make to the discourse.

    • MATT DAMON

      MATT DAMON

  • DEARWHITEPEOPLE

    Obviously, go ahead and disagree with this article. On a campus such as ours that is bound to be the general sentiment. But everyone who I have seen/heard say that this shouldn’t be published has not been black. So while you white people continue to accuse this man of whitesplaining and calling this hate-speech, black people continue to be articulate and actually state their disagreements with this article and why they think it is wrong, rather than saying he shouldn’t have shared this. If people don’t share what they think, no one can explain to them why they think should change their avenue of thought or let them know what parts of the situation they haven’t considered. Additionally, as a veteran, the author of this article also has a particular sensitivity to gun violence, which most of you white people on campus ( sorry to generalize) do not have. Unlike most of you, I’m sure he knows what it means to lose someone to gun violence. Also I feel like a lot of the hatred toward has been because of the title, which normally the writers of pieces do not get to choose, little has been directed at the contents of the article itseld. If hatred had simply been directed to the article, go ahead! But that people have said boycott the argus, and have directed hatred toward the author himself, including posting pictures of “this horrible man”, seems to be the opposite extreme of what many have been fighting for for a very long time. These pictures posted of him seem to be calling for violence to be directed at him. Yeah, he’s white, but so are all of you with the most hatred toward this man!!! Dear White People, stop hating on everything. Our movement, as some have so eloquently explained (not myself clearly), is about trying to stop the violence done to black people on a daily basis. On our liberal campus, most people agree with this movement. But newsflash, in the larger world, a lot of people don’t. If everyone thought like Wesleyan students did, BLM would have a much easier time trying to get real change to happen. But alas, BLM wasn’t started because it’s an easy issue, it started because not only systemic racism at places like Wesleyan exist, but because in most of America there is a racism that goes far beyond the system. So while Stascavage may have had an opinion piece that is problematic, remember that this is a student newspaper. People go to college to learn, and if his fellow peers can’t even help or try to understand a guy like him, than what hope do we have for the rest of hateful racist America.

    • Vassar support

      Yay for liberal groupthink. You’ve poked a hornets’ nest of people who are often the first to point out how tolerant they are of diverse opinions and lifestyles-unless of course it contradicts their interpretations. Things here at Vassar are no better.

    • Steersman

      Good point about going to college to learn; pretty sad state of affairs if some (few) students get their knickers in a twist and try to impose egregious censorship in the pursuit of rather ridiculous “safe spaces”. And it seems even Obama is coming around to that point of view as well, if somewhat belatedly, as indicated in this YouTube video:

      A partial transcript from Jerry Coyne’s website [Why Evolution Is True]:

      “The purpose of college is not just … to transmit skills,” he said. “It’s also to widen your horizons, to make you a better citizen, to help you to evaluate information, to help you make your way through the world, to help you be more creative.” . . .

      “It’s not just sometimes folks who are mad that colleges are too liberal that have a problem. Sometimes there are folks on college campuses who are liberal, and maybe even agree with me on a bunch of issues, who sometimes aren’t listening to the other side, and that’s a problem too. I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want
      to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. I gotta tell you, I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. I think you should be able to — anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em. But you shouldn’t silence them by saying, ‘You can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say.’ That’s not the way we learn either.”

    • Anonymous

      You’re 100% wrong. Black lives matter did not start because of ‘systemic racism’ – that does not exist in the United States in any way, shape or form. Black lives matter is just another excuse, based on a lie.

      The only organized racism in America comes from black people and their leaders. Left on their own, the best that black people have been able to produce in the last 5000 years can be seen in Lagos, Nigeria, Monrovia, Liberia, Mogadishu, Somalia, and domestically, Detroit, Baltimore, East Saint Louis and Oakland.

      Face facts, this will never improve. Trying to explain it away is just another excuse.

      “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” – Booker T. Washingon

      • SocialJusticeScientist

        Your entire argument was invalidated by saying systemic racism does not exist. Like, what? You need books in your life. Segregation still exists in education and housing. Mass incarceration of black men? Ever heard of it? What about the systematic attrition of marginalized communities from STEM fields? Yeah, we live in a racist society, dude. Face facts.

        Your Booker T. Washington quote is dandy and all, but speaks to a class of people who are married to the idea of ‘tap dancing’ for white folks. BLM is not ‘making a business of keeping the troubles’ but asking to me KEPT ALIVE. So many people confuse asking for life and liberty with asking for a handout. I don’t need anything from white folks except RESPECT.

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        So if a criminal is black, and he goes to jail, it’s the white man’s fault? Lots of black men commit crimes, and it’s whitey’s fault?

        BLM doesn’t seem to be stopping the black-on-black killings and violence in Baltimore that are happening after dark between the hours of 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. Why are they not focusing their attention on those murders and assaults, which are happening 10x more than white cop vs black citizen?

      • SocialJusticeScientist

        This is a great place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

      • CissyScum

        “Jim Crow”, lmao

        The original Jim Crow laws had nothing to with hating people with dark skin tone and kinky hair, it was about protecting white people from black crime and violence.

        I wouldn’t mind reinstating these laws.

      • Anonymous

        Your 100% right about that. The purpose of segregation was to keep crime and immoral behavior out of the communities they worked so hard to build.

        Then came the civil rights march, and the plagiarist Martin Luther King (he didn’t write his famous speech, he stole it). They whined and complained that the stereotypes weren’t true, and demanded to enjoy the societal benefits that white people built. The only problem was they were lying the whole time.

        Every community dominated by blacks is a sewer, plagued by violence, drugs and self inflicted poverty. Exactly the things the segregationists didn’t want.

        When one race pits itself against another history proves the result is always the same – GENOCIDE. It can happen again, and it won’t be pretty for black people.

      • CissyScum

        What minorities ultimately want is to live in a white country without white people.

      • Anonymous

        Kind of like Detroit, before 770,000 white people left.

      • CissyScum

        Or Rhodesia and South Africa, when those hyper-bigoted oppressive imperialists left the beautiful #BlackBodies to their own devices.

      • Anonymous

        Oh yes – we can’t forget Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). It was the breadbasket of the Netherlands, exporting millions of tons of wheat, corn and rice, until President Robert Mugabe threw all the white farmers out.

        Now the only thing they export is starving Zimbabweans!

      • Nathan

        That and this…

        “Zimbabwe has one of the largest HIV epidemics in the world, with an estimated adult HIV prevalence of 15% and 1.4 million people living with HIV.”

        BTW…here is the source for those automatic doubters…
        http://www.unaids.or/en/regionscountries/countries/zimbabwe

      • NavymanBill

        Funny. I read a very good article written by a middle school teacher in the south, and the difficulties he was facing trying to teach African American students above a certain age level. He asked them a number of questions-very revealing-about how they felt about white Americans. He reported that while most felt that “whites should have a smaller part of the pie”, when he asked them what would happen if all of the whites left, the average response was “We screwed.”.

      • CissyScum

        Here are the experiences of another middle school teacher: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8047-public-school-and-diversity/

        And just for kicks, here’s another piece that may interest you: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924795/posts

      • The Mule

        Ehhhh…. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/

        Black people are more likely to be arrested, charged, and jailed for a crime. As far as breaking the law goes, however, you’ll find in almost every category whites and blacks are equal on a per-capita basis when analyzed on the basis of economic station. The poverty in black communities is a direct result of the very recent inequities supported by law. Decades of second-class citizenship has a long term effect, go figure! Regardless of race, the vast majority of people do not rise above the economic class of their birth. Poor people beget poor people. It has less to do with race and more to do with the potential for advancement. Simply, poor people have fewer avenues to self-improvement. It is possible, for an exceptional person, but most people are not exceptional. Most people are born into a lot and stay there.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry, you’re really far off on this one. You point out an article that talks only about one crime, and the statistics are not credible.

        The National Survey on Drug Use is known to be wildly inaccurate, because its based on answers given by drug users and dealers themselves. You’ll find dozens of articles proving this inaccuracy, but no matter anyway, even if it were accurate, you’re talking about 1 crime.

        For the crimes of Aggravated Assault, Armed Robbery, Home Invasion, Carjacking and Murder, blacks commit a wildly disproportionate amount of these crimes. You are 16 times more likely to be injured by a black criminal than a white one.

        The argument of economic class doesn’t hold water either. After the civil war. as the railroads expanded, the laborers were Chinese, Irish and Black. All of them were treated badly, but somehow the Irish and Chinese managed to pull themselves out and be become productive contributors to our society, but blacks never did.

        No one is afraid to walk through a Chinese or Irish neighborhood, but in virtually every city in the US, the black section of town is a high crime area, as well as a run down dilapidated sewer.

        Appalachia is one of the poorest areas in our country, is predominantly white, and has a crime rate similar to most white suburbs.

        Care to explain that?

      • HiFi

        I’d recommend reading the DOJ report on Ferguson:

        http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

        And you’ll figure out why the riots happened. Policing for profit, in this case, done by a virtually all-white government in a overwhelmingly black city.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t need to read the report. Your statement says it all. The black people of Ferguson, just like blacks everywhere, blame their bad acts on everything and everyone but themselves.

        Please explain to me how a town with no taxpayers that has to raise revenue by issuing fines is the ‘white governments’ fault.

        How does that justify looting liquor stores, rim shops, and convenience stores?

        How does it justify Mike Brown’s mom committing a strong arm robbery over t-shirt sales? (just like her son did right before he was killed)

        Your statement proves everything. Blacks cannot take care of themselves and cannot take responsibility for themselves.

        Perhaps they can do without the white mans help. What do you think would happen if food stamps, medicaid, welfare and subsidized housing were taken away?

      • HiFi

        Please, what is shows is the lengths to which entrenched city officials will go to maintain their salaries and perks, even though they are serving a population that is now poorer than it once was. Why did the citizens of Ferguson need all those cops with salaries twice or three times what the typical resident makes? Oh and don’t forget the pensions…now who’s the one who’s saying blacks need to be babysat? I’d riot if I were in that situation, and if you had any guts you’d do so too.

      • Anonymous

        It doesn’t matter what the citizens of Ferguson get paid.

        Do you think if you offered a minimum wage salary for police you would find a single taker?

        The same goes for city officials. I don’t know what they get paid, but I’m sure it’s in line with the rest of the country of we definitely would have heard about it.

        I guess a person like yourself, who has never had a job, and has always been supported by someone else (most likely the government) would have a hard time understanding these concepts.

        Someday, when you get your first McDonalds or Walmart job I’m sure you’ll understand better.

      • HiFi

        They’re all overpaid, and more importantly, there are too many of them. Crappy little city, run by and for the municipal employees. And yes, that’s exhibit A for structural racism in action. The city needs to be abolished and merged into a larger administrative district. And then they need to do that again for about a zillion other towns across this country.

      • Anonymous

        The citizens and property owners in Ferguson are certainly entitled to vote to do that, but what ‘larger administrative district’ wants a burnt out city full of criminals to suck their treasury dry?

        If you don’t like the town of Ferguson, don’t live there. It’s a free country after all. The people living there are doing so exclusively by choice. If they don’t like it, they can move a few miles to Saint Louis.

      • HiFi

        You see, when you say things like that, you just sound like you were born yesterday. I suppose you just “chose” not to live in Greenwich, or the Hamptons, and instead to live wherever you live. Just like you choose not to jump to the moon and back.

      • chris

        Amen to everything. Blacks playing victims? Creating tremendous amounts of crime while contributing virtually nothing?? I don’t believe it!

      • Nathan

        Yes, more bureaucratic administrative overhead…that is SURELY going to fix things. Why don’t we implement a better strategy that has worked for thousands of years…”handle things at the LOWEST LEVEL POSSIBLE.” Fix it where the rubber meets the road…not in the office where the paychecks are handed out…
        This entire thread is inundated with comments distract from the ACTUAL problem…people have to start addressing their OWN problems before anyone else is EVER going to be able to join in and help…if somebody refuses to change their behavior, no amount of money thrown at the problem is going to fix it…

      • Nathan

        Why is it that people down on their luck so often point the accusatory finger at those that are not…as the FIRST reaction??? Suck it up, work HARDER and make your situation better. This is America!!! The opportunity is there, sometimes it requires VERY HARD WORK….and that is where the problem lies…it’s easier to be lazy…

      • Nathan

        You mean the same DOJ that has pretty much quit doing it’s job? That DOJ??? Sorry, but the credibility in THAT law enforcement organization is GONE!!!

      • Anonymous

        So why did the riots happen in Baltimore?

      • HiFi

        I don’t know. But riots don’t just come out of nowhere….

      • Junior Brisenio

        Yes, I care to explain.
        Why is the crime in poor Appalachia at such low rates vs comparative Black areas? Simple, White people will tell on you if you commit a crime, unfortunately “snitching” is considered a “bad thing” in the Black community even when it’s the right thing to do. Compound this with the person telling may get hurt for telling and then the justice system may not even do anything about it? A poor Black community is a criminals paradise!

        The heart of the problem is the justice system. Minorities are not punished as severely when they commit crimes against other minorities. This is ferociously tilted more with Black on Black crime. Couple that with the snitches get stitches culture that runs in the Hispanic, Black, Vietnamese, and Pacific Islander cultures and it creates a huge problem.

        I have yet to read of any significant charges higher than murder in the 2nd degree when it comes to Black on Black. Way too many are considered lower degrees of manslaughter (usually 6 – 10 years time served). I believe this is done so the criminal can get back on the streets as quickly as possible to hopefully lower the Black population even more?
        At the same time a first offense crack possession charge for an 18 year old Black male will land him 10 years maximum sentencing!

        The justice system cannot dare make its current system fair because that means White people will truly become victims of crimes committed by minorities as they would become fair game. Perish the thought!

        The propensity of committing crimes simply boils down to risk vs reward for minority criminals, especially the Black criminals in Black communities.

      • Doug Chance

        Funny how that lack of opportunity for poor people failed to stop my orphan father from transcending a poor rural background to become a middle class Electrical Engineer. I’m glad that you judge him to be exceptional for that achievement, but that sounds to me like an excuse for the people who are too lazy or compromised by a culture that devalues intellectual achievement to follow in his footsteps.

        We have a very strange definition of poverty in this country. Who owns those cars jamming every street in Kensington? The DirectTV antennae sprouting from all the row houses? The smart phones that seemingly every teenager packs?

      • Anonymous

        “you’ll find in almost every category whites and blacks are equal on a
        per-capita basis when analyzed on the basis of economic station.”
        Not at all true. West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the union. Look at its demographics (94% white). Its violent crime rate in 2013 was 290 per 100,000 population. Compare that with the national violent crime rate of 381 per 100,000.
        Suggested reading: The Color of Crime by the New Century Foundation.

      • KatelynsNana

        “Most people are born into a lot and stay there.” That says a lot about the inner character of the parents, grandparents of current “poor people” who cannot find an “avenue of self-improvement,” despite the trillions of dollars spent on that very thing for the last 50+ years?

      • NavymanBill

        A good comment. However, just looking at it from an economic aspect is incomplete. The social factors must be addressed. A friend recently sagely observed that much of the explanation for the Black/African American crime wave(for lack of a better term) can be traced to LBJ’s “Great Society) program, which in effect, by expanding welfare programs, relieved poor men (of all colors) of their responsibilities to their family ( a form of emasculation?) and made them irrelevant, except as “breeders”. When you see young black men who are 28-29 y/o that have 13-14 children by six or seven different mothers (like that guy that got killed when he joined ISIS), you have to admit that it isn’t just economic.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “Why are they not focusing their attention on those murders and assaults, which are happening 10x more than white cop vs black citizen?”

        Why do you speak as if BLM is the only group that exists?

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Because the #ICantBreathe movement seems to have suffocated.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        That doesn’t really answer my question. I’ll ask it again: Why do you speak as if BLM is the only group that exists?

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Because everyone knows #BlackLivesMatter. No other organizations or races matter.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “No other organizations or races matter.”

        That’s a failure on ppl like you not BLM. How hard is it to find other groups or organizations?

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        So PETA should walk around screaming “Black Lives Matter”? I think they have their hands full with abandoned pit bulls.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “So PETA should walk around screaming “Black Lives Matter”?

        Is this a diversion tactic. I’ll ask the question again: How hard is it to find other groups or organizations that fight against b on b crime?

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Apparently pretty hard. The organization known as the Baltimore Police Department isn’t allowed to fight b on b anymore in Baltimore, and it’s their job.

        How about the BLACKS start taking responsibility?

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “The organization known as the Baltimore Police Department isn’t allowed to fight b on b anymore in Baltimore, and it’s their job.”

        BPD can fight crime but by reports they have taken a hands of approach when it comes to policing. They didn’t like the being held accountable for the Reddie Gray situation so like many departments they have pulled back. Can you imagine a surgeon getting reprimanded for malpractice and their response is hands off instead of improve.

        “How about the BLACKS start taking responsibility?”

        They have but like most things the work is an endless one. Why do ppl assume black people aren’t taking responsibility?

      • Anonymous

        The only segregation in housing is self imposed. Black people are incarcerated in larger numbers than other because they commit more crimes.

        Black people don’t excel in STEM fields because they generally don’t pay attention in school.

        You want respect? Then stop participating in a movement that is 100% based on a LIE.

      • SocialJusticeScientist

        Everything you just said is just not true. Like literally false. But it’s apparent I’m just feeding trolls. *Currently a phd student in geology. I will call myself a scientist, thank you very much.

      • Anonymous

        Wow. They have REALLY lowered the admission standards at Wesleyan. Are you saying the blacks don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime?

        Do you get fries with that PhD? I guess Wesleyan really needs the money. Another thing I’ll be sure to remember – never have respect for PhD’s from Wesleyan.

        I’m going to google all of the PhD candidates later today and find out who you are so I can make sure that a real company doesn’t mistakenly think you have a real degree.

      • NavymanBill

        Brilliant.

      • Guest

        Do you ask yourself:
        1. Why do colored/black people commit crime at
        high rates? (Not blaming it on any other race) What conditions
        in their upbringing or community leads to that? Addressing the root of
        the problems is best for anyone who wishes to see change.

        2. It
        appears that you do not know what a “liberal arts” education/school means.
        During the era of ancient Greece and Rome and later medieval times, it
        included logic, rhetoric, arithmetic and some astronomy. But today,
        liberal arts includes: SOCIAL SCIENCES, NATURAL SCIENCES, HUMANITIES,… A quick google search could clear this up for you.

        NATURAL SCIENCE= includes astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, botany, archaeology, zoology, geology…

      • Anonymous

        How is a masters degree a PhD? There are no PhD programs for Geology at Wesleyan at all.

      • AmericaFirst

        Ahhh, so you know rocks, strikingly similar to the ones rattling around in the heads of those Student Government members. They claim to strive for ‘inclusion’ yet are completely unwilling to ‘include’ anyone whose opinion differs from theirs.

      • NavymanBill

        Very good comment.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        nazi much ???

      • Anonymous

        As a jewish person whose grandparents survived Treblinka, I’m deeply offended by your statement.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        then you’re just another Donald Sterling (ne Tokowitz)
        “You go to Israel, the blacks are treated just like dogs. !!!”

      • Nathan

        He probably doesn’t even know what Treblinka is…it’s amazing the number of idiots that throw out Nazi-related speak without a thought or care in the world. Your grandparents truly had an angel watching out for them…Treblinka was much worse than Auschwitz.

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        There was a Harry Potter course at Frostburg State University. Maybe they should transfer.

      • Doug Chance

        It’s notable that instead of actually rebutting the point made so succinctly by Mr. Washington, you choose only to make an ad-hominem attack against people who share his sentiment. And by doing so, you actually validate his point. It’s unfortunate that the people who need to hear it are too busy nursing their “injustices” to actually bother to listen.

        Respect: You have to give it to get it, SJS. But I suppose that that would just be something an Uncle Tom would do.

      • flyr

        SSS- You are confusing self segregation with enforced segregation.

        When you commit a lot of crime white folks move away as a measure of self preservation. The disparity in rates of violent crime is simply staggering. Blacks are 13% of the population but 50% of the murder victims and 50% of the violent felons.

        If yo look at Chicago for example, if blacks would behave as to whites, the city’smurder rate would drop by about 70%

      • Solo Atkinson

        Wow, you are living proof that there’s no censorship at Wesleyan. Go march in Skokie.

      • Anonymous

        Why do liberals like you only like the free speech that you manufacture? Are people only allowed an opinion if it meets with your approval.

        This is not ‘racist’ information. It’s simple fact.

      • Anonymous

        Leftists routinely resort to ad hominem (and censorship when they can get away with it) because they are generally incapable to refuting well-documented facts and logically consistent arguments.

      • Nathan

        FYI…free speech does not end when you disagree with what is being said…

      • Solo Atkinson

        Exactly. And you’ll be protected by our Constitution when you march, in Skokie. As it should be. But you’ll never get cake in my shop.

    • Doodoo

      DEARWHITEPEOPLE, please learn to use the return/Enter key to create some paragraphs, sheesh!

    • Anonymous

      Fascist Democrats like you are the racists. You hate America, you hate our troops, you hate freedom.

    • KatelynsNana

      So what explains the “group” that now wants to not only boycott the newspaper, but destroy all copies containing this opinion piece, plus demand the changes that they have? One of which is, (paraphrasing), the paper will print whatever “we the group” want it to print, plus demands for space on front page for people of color, as well as demands for some type of “training?”

      Is this “group” white or not? Is there diversity of skin color in the calls for censorship on an Opinion page, for crying out loud?

      “If everyone thought like Wesleyan students did…” Like this? “That the Argus chose to give this man somewhere to share his disrespectful opinion and to then have the Argus and its staff members defend the publication, hiding behind the argument of ‘well it’s not my opinion but he’s allowed to have it’ is frankly a great disappointment.”

      Michael ortiz, ’17

      Good grief. Maybe “Wesleyan students” should be taught the First Amendment so they won’t be so “disappointed.”

      • Anonymous

        Indeed. Really, let’s just cut to the chase and have the anti-1st Amendment group provide a list of “approved” topics available for discussion.

    • Denis O’Malley

      Wesleyan is a great school…But didn’t they ever teach you composition, maybe a paragraph or two?

  • Kant Lương Nguyen

    This entire article lacks critical thought, is hypocritical, ahistorical, and disgustingly — yet blindingly — racist.

    “Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home.”

    2015 has been the safest year for police officers in terms of felonious killings in decades.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/

    The police are inherently a white supremacist institution, regardless of how many people of color happen to be police today. The very first police force in America was used to capture runaway slaves. You could argue that’s the past, but when Black people have a higher chance of going to jail for the same crimes as their non-Black counterparts, constitute the majority of prisons while White people commit the majority of crimes in America (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf), you have to question how far away the police are from actually being a white supremacist institution. You see, the police have been killing people, especially people of color, for a very, very long time. How many “bad apples” are you considering when we talk about the police with some historical context? It doesn’t seem like very many.

    What’s interesting to me is that you cherry-pick information. How many supporters of BLM have you actually interviewed before writing this dog-shit article? Although you say “an organization cannot be labeled based of a small percentage of their membership”, how did you come to title this “Black lives Matter Isn’t What You Think” based off the actions of a few rallies, versus the overwhelming vast majority of rallies being peaceful? Don’t you see your hypocrisy?

    How did you come to question the legitimacy of an entire organization based off the actions of the few? Or is that just something you like to believe because it supports the narrative of the media you read? You don’t need to ask me how I came to assume to know what kind of media you read, it’s painfully, painfully obvious from the article. I actually think its kind of funny that you attempt to politicize this for conservatives as well, bringing gay rights into this, trying to say “support moderates!” as if moderate conservatives paralleled that of moderate BLM supporters.

    Police, since their very conception as runaway slave hunters, have been a threat to non-White people. Black Lives Matter as an organization, much less an institution to the country, has only been existent for the past two or three years, and yet you question the legitimacy of a movement that seeks to benefit Black people, versus an institution that’s very existence is to demonize Black people? Police have acted as a racist institution for longer than we have been born and you place emphasis on radicals within BLM? What a fucking joke.

    Although the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful, it is important to ask: Why should Black people remain peaceful to an institution that has, since its very conception, been a threat to them?

  • Alum as well

    I have long believed that Wesleyan is too liberal for its own good. The attack on you and your article shows exactly that. There seems to be no possibility for calm exchanges when it comes to matters like race. Though I am not black, I am also not white, and I think you are incredibly courageous to voice your opinion in the community when I have hidden mine when I was here for fear of being attacked. Thank you!

    • DKE Bro

      Wesleyan is not an institution worth supporting.

      It will just fade away.

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        That’s everyone’s sentiment about BLM….not worth supporting. It’ll go the way of #ICantBreathe as soon as some other “atrocity to the black race by whitey” happens.

  • Jeremy Caplin

    Well thought out. The BLM movement reminds me a little of the OccupyWallStreet movement. The masses are disgruntled and looking for an outlet, but their agenda and leadership are both murky.

  • this is shameful

    this is truly, truly appalling. you should be ashamed of yourself. your words show clearly that you’re a racist. why should black people be “moderate” when they’re dying at a genocidal rate? you expect people to be moderate when their lives are at stake, to just lie down and take violence. how do you not see how wrong that is? you’re not edgy, and your words are violence in and of themselves.

    • Simon Wethersby

      “they’re dying at a genocidal rate”

      Thanks for the laugh.

    • SMH

      They are dying at “genocidal rates” because of other black people. 94% of all black people murdered in this country are murdered by other black people. Look at the true facts not just what fits your personal motives.

  • Kaloskagathos

    I am black and I actually really like this article. It asks questions that need to be asked. It’s hard not to get the uncomfortable notion that a movement that is supposed to be about showing regard for human life and dignity is seemingly indifferent when a police officer gets killed. And it’s plain to see that the movement clearly doesn’t see it as its job to do anything about the riots and lootings it unwittingly creates in its wake.

    • Simon Wethersby

      How black?

      • Earl of Sandwich

        “”How black?””

        I believe it involves having a parent of African ancestry.

      • Anonymous

        I can trace my ancestry back to Africa 75,000 years ago. Does that count?

      • Silv

        Well… let’s talk about DNA. First of all, our genes are about 1% of our genome. In this 1%, there is one gene among 20,000 that controls melanin pigmentation concentration.

        An African American person is typically of European and West African ancestry, though without genetic testing, it is impossible to say what percent European and what percent African.

        People focus so much on visible traits, such as hair curl type, skin color, etc… which are simply geographic adaptations that make up a tiny tiny portion of our DNA.

        So an African American could be 99% European, save for that small area covering those pigment genes, and is labelled Black. This is just social labeling and not an accurate description of heritage.

      • Anonymous

        Actually the testing has already been done. The typical “African American” has about 20% European ancestry.

        “So an African American could be 99% European, save for that small area covering those pigment genes, and is labelled Black.”

        I bet you cannot identify even one example where this has happened.

      • Silv

        Typical is misleading when dealing with millions and billions of humans, we get one at a time in the lab, and they simply pick a ethnicity box. Yet this becomes important for in human genetics where knowing the ethnicity of a genomic region is important, as all populations have our own set of unique mutations.

        Here is the example you requested:

        http://www.humgenomics.com/content/9/1/1

      • Anonymous

        From the abstract:
        “Although
        race and ethnicity are related, race refers to a person’s physical appearance, such
        as skin color and eye color.”

        Wrong.

        When I use the term “race” I am referring to a person’s continental ancestry – nothing more. If your ancestors in the year 1500 lived in Europe, then you are Caucasian or “white.” If your ancestors in 1500 lived in Sub-Saharan Africa, then you are Negro or “black.” In this I am influenced by Michael Levine and J.Philippe Rushton. I’m not really hung up on the term “race.” Use whatever term you prefer. Luigi Cavalli-Sforza stated that there is no such thing as “race” and then spent the next 400 pages documenting the very thing he says doesn’t exist. He simply refers to “populations” and “groups.” The reason I’m not hung up on the term is because I do not not believe that every American to be classified by race, and that rights and privileges are granted to denied on the basis of that racial classification. That’s not my agenda. It is the agenda of the US federal government.

        “Genetic analysis of individual ancestry shows
        that some self-identified African Americans have up to 99% of European ancestry,”

        Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King “self-identified” as African-American. I’m not really interested in how people “self-identify.”

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King are excellent examples!

      • Anonymous

        Where has fraud man Shaun King crawled off to? He’s a laugh riot. SO OFFENDED THAT HE WAS BUSTED! I love seeing pics of him as a little kid, looked a great deal like his Irish dark haired mother, and I saw his evilllll YT father in the widdle tike, too. Had curly dark brown hair, very pale. Fast forward to his use of Just For Men on his DOWN FOR DE SHTRUGGLE hair shave and facial hair. Ultra Black #101, I’m guessing. He, like the female fraud must be desperate for a book deal and are realizing the 15 minutes are up.

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        I had a black roommate in college. Does that give me enough essence to be black too?

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Fiction can be fun!

      • Hawg Jaw

        Too wks ago, i kdnt evn spl edumacation

      • Kalsu

        I had sex with a black girl once and she became a parent. Might have been mine. Does that count?

      • Mendog

        How could the child have been your parent?

      • Rich Algeni

        Simon Wethersby needs you to take a DNA test. If you do not have the requisite amount of African Ancestry in your DNA, you must only support BLM. No criticism of thought or word will be permitted! Per order of the Thought Czars on the fascist left…, we just know better!

      • Doodoo

        Actually, Kaloskagathos needs to take the DNA test, and if he/she doesn’t have the requisite amount of African Ancestry in their DNA, the are only allowed to support Black Lives Matter. If they have the requisite amount or more of African Ancestry in their DNA, they are still only allowed to support Black Lives Matter.

      • Hawg Jaw

        How do i pas de dna test, kingfish?

      • Kaloskagathos

        I was born in Africa to two black African parents. Whether you’re talking about complexion or degree of African ancestry, I’m probably blacker than you.

    • jean dumas

      I usually don’t like to pull the race card but I will make an exception here. I’m black, I like the article, and your comments are spot on.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        pics of your driver’s license… otherwise you’re a troll

      • Anonymous

        Pics of your Iranian Diplomatic Password, otherwise you’re a terrorist.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        pics of you nazi passport… otherwise you’re a skinhead

      • Anonymous

        Now you’re discriminating against BALD people??? Shame on you! How did you get so full of hate.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        only the white supremacists ones…like *you* …

      • Anonymous

        How can a black jew be a white supremacist ?

      • Halb Halbhalb

        easy… take a look in the mirror

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Sammy Davis jr.was a white supremist?

      • Mendog

        He was a chocolate monk!

      • Sneetches

        I’m waiting for the punch line.

      • Mendog

        With Eugenics…it can be done.

      • Donald Miller

        Margaret Sanger? Is that you?

      • Mendog

        You had me at hello.

      • greetingsfromyonkers

        How can Rachel Dozeal be white?

        How can Bruce Jenner be a woman?

        It’s all in your head, baby.

      • mike connor

        This is not on the topic, but your reply instantly made me think of a Dave Chappelle sketch. His show was some of the funniest stuff I have seen on tv since married with children.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T8L3xcsA3w

      • Steven C

        halb and jamal…give it a rest…you sound like first graders

      • Anonymous

        This is exactly the problem. Knee-jerk discrimination: you disagree with me so therefore you must be “white supremacist” or worse. What nonsense. Did anyone of this college generation read anything worthwhile in high school? 1984? Even Animal Farm? And how about the First Amendment?

      • Halb Halbhalb

        if the nazi swastika fits…lace that motherf*cker up

      • Halb Halbhalb

        if the nazi swastika fits…lace that motherf*cker up

      • greetingsfromyonkers

        What really irks me is this whole White Privilege shtick. I may be white, but my parents had to work three jobs between them to provide for the family. I attended an Ivy League college, but on a scholarship. My entire family has worked very hard for what we have. White Privilege doesn’t pay the rent or buy groceries.

        I am a civil servant in a location where there are very few white employees. The black employees are constantly hitting me up for loans. I tell them, “You had to take the same test I did to get the same job I have, which pays right to the penny the same salary that I make. Why are you asking me for money?” When they start whining about being behind in their credit card or utility bills, I just say, “I’m sorry to hear that you’re having money problems, but they’re YOUR problems, and YOU are going to have to resolve them without my help.”

        I know this sounds cold, but I am very offended at these requests. These are people who are just co-workers, not close friends. And they need to rid of their preconceived notions that I am somehow of rolling in it just because I’m white.

      • Lisa Montez

        They have been force-fed the whole mistaken notion of white privilege since they were in grade school. They are products of the degraded society they grew up in. Maybe if they met more white people like you, they would finally realize the crap they’ve been fed all their lives.
        This is the same crap the leaders in the Black Lives Matter movement have been fed.

      • Anonymous

        Montez, I’ve met many people like you Black, Hispanic, Southeast Asian (India, etc.). Once you have assimilated into the White Supremacy Culture, you are worst than any Klansman that I have ever seen. Are you a Catalan, a large portion of them have your beliefs?

      • Lisa Montez

        So I am a racist for believing that no one should blame others for their lack of ambition or whatever they think is “holding them back”? We have black congressmen, judges, lawyers, even president for crying out loud! They CAN perform if you would just let them to their own devices. Many minorities don’t want your help and . . . here’s some news for you . . . THEY DON’T NEED IT! Who is the real racist? Is it me who believes that they can get along in society just fine or you, who believes they need help? (I apologize if I am reading too much into your reply.)

      • read this
      • Lisa Montez

        Political correctness is another form of censorship. If the government (or anyone really) doesn’t want the public to listen to you, they call you a racist. It’s a way to get us to shut-up and take it.

      • BrokenArrow

        NO, you probably are an Archie Bunker. Get real, and my bet would be you put your opinion out loud and clear…e.g. like you did here.

      • Lisa Montez

        What?

      • SLUGGLIFE

        What is an Archie bunker? Is it like a Louis farrakhan or an al sharpton?

      • Lisa Montez

        No, in fact I know I must hide my conservative views. I live in a sanctuary county and am surrounded by liberals. We know that if we stand up for our beliefs, we will lose our jobs and businesses and lose our liberal friends. Oh yeah, and we’re called names too!

      • SLUGGLIFE

        Good point. I guess we can start calling black racists black supremacists. Wouldn’t matter though, that’s allowed in today’s society. Actually celebrated.

        MLK would bitch slap a whole Lotta people were he alive today.

      • Hurst1961

        Post yours first Halb Halbhalb

      • Halb Halbhalb

        he/she/it made the claim, the burden is on him/her/it, and notice he/she/it still hasn’t proven the he/she/it is , in fact, “black

      • Anonymous

        Obsessive much?

      • Halb Halbhalb

        d-bag much ???

      • Halb Halbhalb

        d-bag much ???

      • TSA_TheSexualAssault

        No one is Black on the internet.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        LOL

      • Anonymous

        So you can go to his house and firebomb it…..he’d put a fool to put his license online with thugs like Halb out there.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        the he/she/it needs to STFU

      • DaveZ71

        Troll: that word doesn’t mean what you think it means. A troll is an internet moron who posts inflammatory statements to incite stupid arguments for no reason. A troll is not someone who posts in agreement with a previous statement.
        Hint: There is certainly a troll here. (Psst…It’s not Jamal).
        Solution: don’t feed the troll, and it eventually dies a slow and painful death in obscurity.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        Hint: he/she/it is an obvious troll… and to see another, take a look in the mirror

      • Anonymous

        What is your problem, dude? Calling people trolls for no reason other than they disagree with you is almost the definition of trolling. Congrats.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        obvious troll is obvious (you)

      • jean dumas

        I’m obviously not going show pics of my driver’s licences, so I am aware there is no way for people to know if I am telling the truth about being black. As a show of good faith, I will explain how I came to use the name “jean dumas”. Does not prove anything but circumstantial evidence it the best I am willing to do.

        First “jean dumas” is not my real name I think of it as a pen name, however, people that actually know me would be able to make the link with my real name for the following reasons:

        1) my first name is in fact “jean” (French for john)

        2) the letter in the name “jean dumas” is a subset of the letters in my real name.

        At this point, I am sure some people are probably able to guess my origins based on what I have written, but there is actually a bit more to the story of my chosen pen name…

        I choose “Dumas” for a number of reason

        1)As stated above all the letters are part of my name (boring computer geek reason)

        2) The author Alexandre Dumas has written some cool stuff,( The Count of Monte Cristo,The Three Musketeers)

        3) Alexandre Dumas Father was half black and born in St-Domingue (present day Haiti). This makes Alexandre Dumas part black which means black people can claim him as one of our own, and that’s what I pretty much did.(hypodescent is the technical term for it)

        Of course none of this is proof of anything, but let me say this, a black haitian guy with the first name Jean is not exactly a rare thing :)

      • Halb Halbhalb

        this is got your name written all over it !!!
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMe3WDmxBEI

      • Jennifer

        I agree with you, Jean!

      • Greg Zoll

        I have no issue with the article also Jean. The problem is that some in this country only want a one way street. That street is pointed towards the Far Left Radical side.

        News media is a biased format. It is supposed to allow people from both sides to have a voice. What we have now, is that there are too many mamma’s boys and girls out there, that have spent way too much time on Twitter and being indoctrinated by their parents, teachers and friends, that you should never have to work for anything. Because someone will always give it to you for free.

      • Julie Hanson

        BS. I’m on the “left” and really liked the article. I agree with everything he wrote. Stop generalizing everyone based on the initial that appears next to their name at the voting booth. I believe the “right” is guilty of trying to “get things for free” when they want churches (which could be any group gathering and calling themselves a “church”) to be tax-exempt. Is EVERYONE on the right a religious zealot, or a bigoted and prejudiced person? If you don’t think so, then don’t paint everyone with the same brush.

      • Lisa Montez

        If you’d rather that churches are not tax-exempt, that means you’d rather our government have that money. Churches feed the poor, help house the homeless, get people off drugs, any have many more worthy causes. If we give the government that extra money, they will buy military equipment to feed their never-ending wars and hire more IRS officers to harass people. I would much rather let the churches have that money! What would you prefer?

      • BrokenArrow

        If a church pushes a political agenda, then it should pay taxes.

      • Lisa Montez

        I do agree, they need to stay out of politics. AND THAT GOES FOR OUR CURRENT POPE!

      • SLUGGLIFE

        Unless the democrats need them to influence the congregations on things like healthcare, then it’s ok. Right? What about the black churches? Did they have any interest in talking about obama in 2008 and 2012? Should they also be revoked of their status?

      • Lisa Montez

        Sorry, but I think you’ve got the wrong girl. I don’t think churches should be talking about healthcare or politics. I think churches should keep their tax-exempt status. Read my posts.

      • Anonymous

        The Pope does not reside within the borders of the United States, nor is he a citizen.
        The church has always been political. Read the bible. It’s nothing more than a record of the politics and the official policies of ancient Hebrews.

      • Ken Black

        That is an ignorant statement, at best. So I guess now you suggest that preachers are forbidden from preaching against homosexuality, abortion, etc…? Those are VERY political issues today and the very heart of mainstream Christian dogma. How do you propose that the churches “stay out of politics” and get their message across to their believers?

      • SLUGGLIFE

        That’s strange. I remember Nancy Pelosi saying they had to get the churches to start preaching about healthcare (ACA)from the pulpit. Was it ok then? But now, the church must remain separate?

        Nevermind. I know you posted a long time ago.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        BrokenArrow Lisa Montez • 11 days ago:

        “If a church pushes a political agenda, then it should pay taxes.”

        WTF? So you think that “political agendas” are always “taxed.” I see.

        And who decides what a “political agenda” is? Maybe your comments should be taxed since you’re pushing a “political agenda” to modify tax laws.

        How much do you have?

      • What a convenient framework, in Washington they just pick both. Churches get to be tax-excempt political think tanks, and wars get funded to excess. Both can go eff themselves.

        If we had democracy we would stop both, but we don’t, your entire system is illegitamate.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “If we had democracy we would stop both, but we don’t, your entire system is illegitamate.”

        What? You think that “think tanks” should be taxed. Just because. Oh, and of course you should tax churches. Also…because…we could use the money doncha know.

        And no more wars! Of course! Because wars are just capitalism and stuff.

        The system is illegitimate. Because…well…you don’t get your way.

        Well said! I’m just not sure you understand what “democracy” is.

      • Lisa Montez

        You’re right. It’s all screwed up.

      • elmira

        I too think the churches should have that money not the government. I also believe that government is not responsible for giving charity to people. What started out as temporary assistance turned out as a way of life for some. I’ve also heard more than one well off person who spends more then they earn not care if they are broke when they’re old ’cause “the government will take care of me” .Churches and other tax exempt organizations who give to “the less fortunate give because they want to not because they are forced to. There are too many people,rich and poor alike, taking advantage of the government.

      • Anonymous

        Churches are not charities, though many do charitable work.
        There is no requirement under the law that tax exempt religious organizations must give back to the community, or society.

      • Lisa Montez

        I suppose that’s true. It’s not a requirement. But as long as they are preaching peace, I don’t see a problem with their tax-exempt status. All in all, they are doing good for society. And we need more institutions like that.

      • Anonymous

        Not all churches are good for society.

      • Lisa Montez

        Can you give me an example?

      • Anonymous

        Westboro Baptist

      • Lisa Montez

        Okay, that’s one. There are at least 320,000 Christian churches alone in this country and you can come up with only one that is bad for society. So, let’s just condemn them all?!

      • Anonymous

        You asked for one.
        There is at least one Westboro style church in every state.

      • ThenTheLordMadeYolettie

        I think the person was referencing those Super Churches who’s leaders use the donations for private jets and huge homes….not your average local churches. For example, the kardashians have a church……

      • Lisa Montez

        In those cases, it does seem like there should be a limit for the tax-exempt status. I don’t believe that preaching should be a way for individuals to get rich. I suppose that whatever system we put in place, someone will always find a way to get around the intended purpose and enrich themselves at the expense of their parishioners. But we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water and condemn all churches for the self-enrichening of a few. The Kardashians . . . really? Something’s wrong with that.

      • RAA

        Any group can feed the needy and house the homeless without the delusional backdrop and propaganda of a church mixed in… oh and let’s not forget about the child molestation and womanizing/racist behavior central to every religion holding up the bible.

      • Julie Hanson

        I would prefer that there are no churches but, since that won’t happen, I don’t think they should be tax-exempt. Guess what Lisa? If my friends and I decided to open a church called “The Elvis Costello Religious Rock ‘n Rollers”, we could do it and wouldn’t have to pay taxes. You claim that the money goes to the government instead. If that is the case, then that would enable the government to put more social programs into existence to help the poor, or even raise the minimum wage (which the republicans don’t want to do). Let’s face it — most churches that republicans belong to require you to “accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior”. If you don’t do that, then “no soup for you!” Besides, haven’t you heard of “separation of church and state”, which is what our forefathers wanted. The right is always preaching “constitutional rights”, like the second amendment (which really doesn’t back them up as far as assault weapons, etc.) go, but they twist to make it seem that it does. What is really boils down to is “separation of CHURCH and STATE.” What part of that don’t you understand?

      • Greg Zoll

        Actually it is the Left that wants to take your rights away, not the Right.

      • In your world the “left” is neo-liberal and your right is neo-fascists. Both want our rights, they just differ on who gets to have them. .. stop being a rube.

      • Bella 2014

        And exactly what rights is the Left trying to take away? Please be specific.

      • Jim Johnson

        It should be the right of a business owner not to have to pay employees for months without working because they had a child. The left wants to take that right away.

      • Anonymous

        So workers who produce wealth for the business owner, should have no rights?
        We have that already.

      • Donald Miller

        What do you mean “no rights”? They always have the right to find another (better) position somewhere else.

      • Anonymous

        “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”–Abraham Lincoln

      • Bella 2014

        It isn’t just the left that wants paid family leave. Anyone who has had a child knows what a great benefit it is. I do understand the hardship on small business owners, which is why I and many others advocate the government should step in and help. I’d rather have my tax dollars pay for this than for senseless wars (yes Pres Bush I’m talking to you).

      • TexasMJF

        Amazing! I had just written the following to someone who thought your first post was aimed at all “left” people. This whole thread got hijacked. The young man who wrote the article was very effective. That was the message that needs to be realized here. “Then you are not “far left radical” as Greg Zoli said about “some in this country want”. It is an excellent article and points out that ALL of us who may LEAN left or right, conservative or liberal, need to be faster to come out about so many issues rather than allow the media to “divide and conquer”. Actually, their agenda is to cause divisiveness and encourage rancor so that people begin to spew hateful things. Sells news…”

      • Julie Hanson

        You are SO wrong there, Greggie. It’s the right that wants to eliminate Planned Parenthood. Republicans are also anti-union and against raising the minimum wage The marjority (54%) of republicans are opposed to raising the minimum wage. If you are talking about GUN rights, that’s entirely different. If you believe that the United States is envied for having the most mass shootings, you’re insane. We, as a country, are a laughingstock. The NRA controls politicians and seems to control the whole country. Go watch Fox News and live in your make-believe world.

      • SLUGGLIFE

        Your post would be to assume that all churches slant to the right, julie. They dont. The social justice churches are well stocked with plantation democrats who also have 501c3 status. Thanks for playing. Try again.

      • Julie Hanson

        I really hate to break it to you, but MOST churches are evangelical Christian and 99.9% of the evangelicals (or should I say they were “born again” (which always cracks me up)) are republicans, who are, of course more than leaning to the right; in fact, almost falling over because they are so far right. Besides, I don’t attend church. The last time I did, the holy water really burned!!! Is it supposed to do that??

      • TexasMJF

        Then you are not “far left radical” as Greg Zoli said about “some in this country want”. It is an excellent article and points out that ALL of us who may LEAN left or right, conservative or liberal, need to be faster to come out about so many issues rather than allow the media to “divide and conquer”. Actually, their agenda is to cause divisiveness and encourage rancor so that people begin to spew hateful things. Sells news…

      • Greg Wells

        Lmao…..I bet you find a way to insert “libruls are lazy and get everything free” into every comment you post.

      • SLUGGLIFE

        Who can blame then when every dem politician is falling over each other figuring out how much free stuff to promise?

      • Greg Wells

        Lmao yeah I hear it over and over “promising free stuff” “they are buying votes”
        Your party does not care about you. Your candidates get all their campaign funds from the rich. Do you honestly think they are going to enact any legislation to help anyone except the rich? Because they haven’t in at least 8 years.

      • SLUGGLIFE

        I don’t need their help. At all. Self sustaining American here. So no,I definitely don’t wait for politicians to “do something” for me.

        Self sufficiency, personal responsibility. And worry less about how much money the rich have. If you had it, you’d be trying to buy politicians too.

      • Greg Wells

        You don’t even have any morals.
        You hate how the rich control our politics, but you say you would do the same thing. I’m glad your generation has about a decade left.

      • SLUGGLIFE

        You are the one who cares about others wealth, judging from your posts. Just waiting on another man to fix your problems. Where did I say I hate how the rich control politics? Did I also blame the jews somewhere too? You seem unhinged. But I’m not surprised. This is typical. I’m only 42, but if I have a decade left, I guess it’s time to live it up. Meanwhile you’ll be here living under the tyranny you’ve sanctioned. Your liberal professors would be proud.

      • elmira

        I cant believe your only 42. I cant wait for you to get the boot from your company (and you will).You’ll be the first in line collecting those freebies called unemplyment ,obamacare and food stamps. And when you get old are you going to hide your money and house in your kid’s name in case you have to go to a nursing home? I know plenty of right wingers who did just that. No, I do not believe in government charity and my REP friends dont believe in it either unless they are the ones on the receiving end of it. BTW do you plan on taking Medicare when you are 65. You know that socialized medicine don’t you?

      • elmira

        Slugglife is probably from the generation when jobs were plentiful and people worked at the same place for 40 years. They could put their money in the bank and earned at least 5% compoundable interest and have a nice retirement. It was a time when wives could stay home with the kids ’cause the husband earned enough to support the family. It was also a time when CEOs earned 20x the average worker not 400x. Now it is for the rich by the rich.

      • elmira

        That doesn’t make it O.K.

      • elmira

        Right on!!

      • theoldsargesays

        Um…there’s a white gooey substance dripping from your chin.

      • Lisa Montez

        Yeah, well nothing is ever going to change until we all get so pissed off we march on Washington. We need “Pitchfork Pat” back again. (That’s Buchanan, BTW).

      • elmira

        Those Dems do promise a lot of freebies and the Rep NEVER do anything about it. They just talk the talk and nothing changes. Both parties want to keep the poor poor, make the middleclass poor and make the wealthy wealthier. It’s all about being politically correct. BTW All lives matter not just black lives.

      • Lisa Montez

        Hallelujah! You speak the truth. But I can’t see it ever setting us free. The system is stacked against the very people it was set up for. What a joke! A sick one.

      • Donald Miller

        Not “free”, paid for by someone else – the US taxpayer.

      • Greg Wells

        This “well i got my stuff and I aint givin it up” is simple ignorance.
        People in democratically socialist countries have better standards of living, cheaper medical costs, and even is much happier. The rich get to be rich and the poor get a shot at a decent life.

      • Anonymous

        Do that which serves your cause, not that which serves your rage. But–there’s a lot of rage out there, and this fact needs to be respected, even if the way people express it may not be morally correct, and the police need to ask themselves hard questions about how it came to this. Being dismissive of protesters, punishing people for being hostile or suspicious of them, or attempting to shift the conversation to something irrelevant (All Lives Matter, Police Lives Matter) isn’t going to help. They need to start listening.

    • Halb Halbhalb

      pics of your driver’s license otherwise you’re a troll

      • Anonymous

        Pics of your Iranian diplomatic passport, otherwise you’re a terrorist.

      • Halb Halbhalb

        pics of you nazi passport, otherwise your’re a skinhead

      • Havid Damburger

        HalbHalbhalb didnt deny being an Iranian terrorist..

      • Halb Halbhalb

        nazi much ???

      • Hawg Jaw

        Halb…Another raghead speaks

      • Halb Halbhalb

        ^ obvious butt-hurt nazi boy is obvious

      • Jim Prindle

        Only when it comes to NUKING IRAN !!

        Listen, towel boy….we don’t like your kind in this country.

        Just remember that…..

      • Halb Halbhalb

        the only place that’s going to get nuked anytime soon is isra-hell

      • Anonymous

        Habib Habbibbbiii> Israel has a rather good track record at dealing with trash. You might want to look that up before you write a silly post. Oh, and Israel is a fantastic country, the Muslims are treated with respect, did you know that? Look up how many incredible inventions, medical procedures, etc., come of that tiny country every year. What have the Muzzies come up with in the last 800 years? OH, THAT WOULD BE NEW WAYS TO KILL PEOPLE. Quite creative hanging men, hog tied, and lighting them on fire. Now, that’s impressive! Oh, and throwing those gay men off buildings is inspiring, huh?

      • Halb Halbhalb

        well if they threw *you* off a building…that would be *really* impressing.

      • Kaloskagathos

        Umm… what are you, head of the troll control patrol?

    • Jennifer

      I agree with you! Your response is well-written!

      • Kaloskagathos

        Thank you!

    • Corey Alexander Walker

      I think this article has some valid points but is misguided in some ways. No one should be happy that a police officer was killed, because it doesn’t help anyone in the long run. However, BLM is supposedly tackling institutionalized racism that makes life much more difficult for the average black person in this country than white. Although it is a noble fight, BLM is disorganized and lacks a clear endgame. It’s just like occupy wall street all over again. However, I don’t agree with blaming BLM for riots. Riots have always happened in this country, and America was founded off of riots (American Revolution). When it comes down to it, racism is a systematic and cultural issue. It’s very complex, and while it pains me to say this, I don’t think we will ever get past it. It’s just too ingrained within our society.

      • Anonymous

        America was found on riots? No we most certainly were not. I read somewhere that some of the Founders were embarrassed by the Boston Tea Party in that they destroyed property that belonged to a private company and not the Crown. They refunded the company for the tea that was destroyed. I hope that is true. Our Founders were thinking men, not terrorists.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        what this group is saying by Black Lives Matter is that the lives of police officers don’t.

        —————————–

        Is not BLM only bit BLM too/also/as well. The lives of police officers have always mattered. People who kill officers are taken to jail and held accountable. The same isn’t done to officers who shoot civilians.

      • Anonymous

        are you actually saying that the colonists were wrong to riot against an army of occupation? or that it was wrong to go after a company that was profiting off of the english enforcement of illegal tariffs imposed by an occupying power?
        how about the revolutionary war? was that wrong? would south africans have been terorrists to shut down the apartheid mines that were profiting off virtual slave labor and stealing minerals that should have belonged to south africans?

      • Jim Scotts

        So you’re comparing slavery in South Africa to the BLM? The BLM are protesting for criminals that are killed by police officers. 99.9% of all police actions are justified! I would feel more comfortable having my children looked after by a police officer then a teacher, doctor or for that matter a priest!

      • mobetta

        99.9% is not a realistic number. Kelly Thomas ring a bell?

      • Jim Scotts

        Absolutely 99.9% of police use of force is justified! The Police in the US are among the highest trained and most progressive in the world. They have to police in a country that is among the most armed and most violent in the world. It’s sad that Americans have absolutely no regard for police but put their military on pedestals. If only you knew what the military do to people over there

      • mobetta

        If you think the US is a violent country, I suggest you look at the historical LOW levels of crime.

      • Jim Scotts

        Interesting that you don’t trust the police but you trust your politicians in providing you with those historical low levels of crime numbers. Compare the US to Germany, England, The Netherlands etc. You will never encounter an armed felon in any of those countries! Oh by the way, another police officer was killed yesterday!

      • Jim Scotts

        btw, did you see the news today, another mass shooting at a school. 10 confirmed dead and they expect to find more. If you don’t think that this country has an appetite for violence you’re the one that needs help.

        And it’s sad that you can’t appreciate that when there is a shooting it’s the police that are running toward the gunfire as all others run from it to stop the killing.

      • mobetta

        Well if we were all allowed to have patrol cars, body armor, and a weapon…

      • Anonymous

        1. I didn’t compare anything or anyone to anything or anyone else; the commentator labeled the boston tea party participants as being terrorists for reasons that he didn’t present but aparrently because they broke undemocratic laws that were imposed on them. I asked whether he would also label some other groups that broke undemocratic laws as being terorrists.

        2. although I didn’t discuss the comparison that you ascribed to me for your own weird political reasons, no,I wouldn’t compare “slavery in South Africa to the BLM”. I WOULD compare the BLM to south african anti-apartheid activists.

        3. I would also compare the south african police slaughtering, torturing and imprisoning antiapartheid activitsts to US police shooting down unarmed afro-americans, many of whom are not criminals. and prosecutors using false evidence in order to imprison them. but never the less, even someone “suspected” of commiting a crime is entitled to not be murdered by cops.

      • Jim Scotts

        Well, you have completely lost your rocker! You comparing US Law Enforcement (which I may add is probably the most progressive in the world) to the military of South Africa is udder nonsense. You need to break down each police involved shooting and each has to stand on it’s own merit. The problem is the BLM is saying this number of black males have been shot by police but in reality 99.9% of those shootings were justified. Its sad that Americans would rather sacrafice a police officer for a criminal. In 2015 thats where were at? Udder nonsense. That’s why our youth today have no creditability.

      • Anonymous

        1. only members of privledged classes would think that the US police are progressive. whether or not they are better than any other police force would require a breakdown of each and every poilice action in every country. I await the results of your research.

        2. no, you don’t have ” break down each police involved shooting”. they have all been broken down already and the behavior of the US police as a whole is obvious. and that includes the fact that almost every cop on the various police forces is complicant in that they all refuse to testify to the illegal behavior that they observe. and they all refuse to testify each time they observe a cop plant evidence. or beat a confession out someone.

        3. I would like to see the independent study that arrived at the 99.9% figure.

        4. it is sad that so americans would sacrifice afro-american lives and the constittution as part of their willingness to let cops get away with, well, murder.

        5. no one cares whether rightwing nutbags think that young people have crediblity. in any case, you guys have been saying that forever.

        6. how come each and every comment made at a BLM rally doesn’t have to stand on its own; how come the guy who wrote this political screed doesn’t have to break down each and every comment made by someone at a BLM demonstration to see what was really said, who said it and the context that it was under? and, instead, he can just quote faux news claims about what was said and how often and then attribute it all to BLM?
        over & out

      • Anonymous

        The guy who wrote this “political screed” actually produced thoughtful analysis, something sorely missing from your posting.

      • Anonymous

        perhaps you can point out where in his political screed the “thoughtful political analysis” is.
        as for your characterization of what my political screed is missing, well, blah, blah, blah back at you.

      • Jim Scotts

        Really? Police are the defenders of the constitution! Sworn to uphold it every single day! Secondly, they DO NOT EVER WANT TO WORK ALONGSIDE A CRIMINAL! EVER! And stop with that stupid white privilege garbage. The only privilege is economic which I’m sure you are fortunate enough to enjoy. To compare a use of force to freedom of speech shows how ignorant you are! BLM has the right to say the things that they do and cops protect it everyday. A police use of force should be investigate on it’s own merit. For you to want to toss away a cop’s livelihood on a questionable use of force instead of holding the criminal accountable is repugnant.

      • Anonymous

        1. really.

        2. cops have never protected the constitution. if you knew any history you’d know that constitution is supposed to protect us from cops. it doesn’t.

        3. you can’t really believe that so I won’t bother stating that they not only work alongside criminals, they protect them behind the “blue shield”.

        4. you have no idea whether I have economic previlege; you only have your assumptions about anyone who disagrees with you;

        5. I have no idea what ” To compare a use of force to freedom of speech shows how ignorant you are!” is referring to; obviously you don’t either.
        6. cops only protect wealth; and they arrest, jail and kill people because of the things that they say;
        7. of course, you ignored the request that you cite to any study that supports your rant that 99.9% of the time that cops kill someone, it is “justified”. don’t worry; we didn’t expect you to be able to do so;
        8. blah, blah, blah.
        over & out

      • Jim Scotts

        Btw the constitution was written long before the police existed. The constitution protects you from your government.

      • Anonymous

        although my previous comment made it clear that I was out of this conversation, I just couldn’t not mention that it is really astonishing that a poster who crticizes “youth of today [as] hav[ing] no credibility” would actually write an idiotic statement such as “the constitution was written long before the police existed.” ughhhh!!!! even wikipedia knows better. yechhhh!!!! you obviously make it up as you go along. whatever you think of current college education, your high school civics class obviously was too busy teahcing you a mythical story about the US to actually teach you any facts.
        (and even asuming that the “The constitution protects you from your government”, what do you think that the police are if not the government? by the way, as the supreme court has stated, that same constittuion doesn’t even require the police to protect anyone.)
        this is too boring and stupid for me to continue.
        over & out. really!!!!!

      • Anonymous

        You have a very naïve view of US law enforcement.

      • Jim Scotts

        Then don’t call the police! Let’s go one step further and have the police stop patrolling the Wes campus. The “townies” will rip your campus apart and your sense of safety and security will disappear and before you know it you’ll be begging mommy and daddy to drive you home.

      • Anonymous

        “Then don’t call the police! ”

        Never have, probably never will. Few situations are made better by the arrival of the police.

        “before you know it you’ll be begging mommy and daddy to drive you home.


        nice try. I’m not a student and my parents are both deceased.

      • Jim Scotts

        Ahh then you must be a criminal because every law abiding person I know appreciates the police. The only time situations are made worse when the police are called is when you’re committing a crime. So if you’re beating your wife, yes you’ll go to jail. Have a kilo in your house, yes you will go to jail.

      • Anonymous

        “Ahh then you must be a criminal because every law abiding person I know appreciates the police.”
        You’re really quite an authoritarian, and close minded to boot. Your type is really the enemy of democracy and freedom, ya little boot licker.

      • Jim Scotts

        That is quite humorous. I absolutely support our freedoms and I support your right to say and do what you want. But I’m a realist as well and I know that once you get rid of police the wolves in our society will run amok so if that is the society you want then move to a 3rd world country

      • Anonymous

        It’s not about “getting rid of the police.” It’s about de-militarizing them. Currently the police treat many areas as occupied territories, and themselves as a military occupation force.
        Are you unaware, or unconcerned about the many people killed by over aggressive policing?
        Frankly, I don’t trust you Friends of the Police types. The history of police violence, corruption and abuse is just far to long, and now with so many cell cameras, the usual BS police excuses (he was resisting…he fell on the way to the cruiser…he was aggressive) are being revealed as boilerplate lies used to justify out of control police violence.

      • Jim Scotts

        The reason police are acquiring equipment from the military is simply because they’re either free or cheap. Secondly, they’re needed since there is more and more active shooter situations taking place in America. That you cannot deny. So how would you expect your police to respond to these situations? With just their handgun? If so, then you are an inconsiderate nincompoop. So please, I am waiting for your response on how they should respond to active shooters.

      • Anonymous

        The police are wildly over-militarized. Small town sin the middle of nowhere have surplus armored vehicles. For what?
        Militarized police are enemies of democracy and freedom.

      • Jim Scotts

        You are out of your mind. Every police officer supports and fights for democracy. They just want the tools to survive and go home to their families and it’s a affront to their safety when people like you want to restrict them to just handguns. It’s sad when Obama admits that mass shootings are now a regular occurrence in one news conference but in another slams police for militarization. Moron!

      • Anonymous

        Why do cops need armored vehicles and machine guns?
        I’ll tell you: to suppress the population when they rise up against the plutocrats and militarists. I saw the militarized tactics used against the Occupy demonstrations. They were inhumane and brutal. this has become the standard response to demonstrations and protests.
        Cops demand slavish obedience. They are brutal to those who don’t comply, and the boot lickers who defend the cops support that brutality.
        The cops are not there to protect me and my people. they exist to brutalize, terrorize and oppress the masses. Their militarization and belligerence is encouraged by the powerful because the plutocrats and the enemies of democracy want them to be that way. They want them to be anti-democratic brutes and they are getting their way,

      • Jim Scotts

        You obviously are delusional! The LA bank robbery is one of the reasons why police began acquiring semi automatic rifles. Another reason is because more and more active shooter situations keep arising. For you not to want to protect your police officers says a lot about you. Sickening in my opinion. Any demonstration if done peacefully will never result in arrest. Those demonstrators chose to break the law. BTW, I agree with their position and support their beliefs but I do not support breaking the law. There are other more meaningful ways to get Wall Street’s attention.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for sharing your authoritarian viewpoint.
        Any laws that were broken by Occupy were absolutely trivial in comparison to the laws that were broken, but have not been prosecuted.
        Legal authority emanates from the power of the people not the power of the police.

      • Jim Scotts

        I agree but the laws broken by the jerks in Wall Street are those behind the scene laws that don’t directly affect us but blocking sidewalks or roadways will get you arrested. If this is why you hate the police then I feel bad for you.

      • Anonymous

        First, I don’t hate police. I’m highly critical of the authoritarian brutality that has become a major aspect of policing in the US.
        Second, I’m not a criminal, which was your intial, and quite bigoted, assumption.
        Finally, civil disobedience is all about breaking small laws to bring attention to major, destructive, immoral law breaking. The violent response to civil disobedience that was on display during the BRUTAL suppression of Occupy was anti-democratic and in the service of the actual horrific lawbreakers, the Wall Street titans.
        You say you agree regarding the crimes of Wall St, but then you condemn the masses of people who were trying to do something about it, because the gov’t had failed to prosecute anyone. You rationalize police brutality in the service of plutocracy, by claiming the Occupiers deserved it because they broke some very petty laws.
        So in practice, you side with the oligarchs. you use right wing law and order arguments to support the violent repression of a movement for democratic accountability.
        You believe that the police are somehow champions of the people and of democracy. They are not. The primary purpose of the police is the protection of a social order that protects the powerful and wealthy from accountability. The police are the protectors of inequality, and the suppressors of democracy. Whether they are nice guys or brutal bastards, that is their assigned role under capitalism.

      • Jim Scotts

        There are better ways to bring attention. For instance blocking traffic only screws the working man and woman. Go to Greenwich or Darien and create mayhem there where all of the Wall Street jerks live. That I actually enjoy.

      • Anonymous

        “Go to Greenwich or Darien and create mayhem there where all of the Wall Street jerks live.’
        Well unless you are doing this yourself, you’re just an armchair critic here.

      • Jim Scotts

        I already said I didn’t agree with your tactics. That’s why I am particularly careful in who I vote during elections.

      • Anonymous

        More police brutality:

        This was a horrific incident of excessive force. Noe was a young man, about 17 years old, in a county south of Austin, and he was in a hallway in Bastrop High School, and there was a fight that broke out between his girlfriend and another girl, two females. Noe was the peacemaker. He was breaking up the fight. This was shown clearly on the video. But two school resource officers came up to him, pushed him out of the way, and one school resource officer pulled his Taser and tased him in the middle of the hallway. Noe fell back, slammed his head and then had to be put in a medically induced coma for 52 days. It was a horrific display of violence. It was much worse than we’re seeing on the video here in South Carolina

        .

        ‘http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33430-texas-student-spent-52-days-in-a-coma-after-being-tased-by-police-at-school

      • Anonymous

        Here’s another instance of he police serving as oppressors of the poor:

        Last week Biloxi, Mississippi became the latest city to be sued by the ACLU for running a “modern-day debtors’ prison.” Over the past two months similar suits have been filed by the ACLU and others against the governments of Jackson, Mississippi, Benton County, Washington, New Orleans, Alexander City, Alabama, and Rutherford County, Tennessee.

        The criminal justice system has increasingly become the preferred way to fund city governments in the modern neoliberal nightmare that is the United States. The police target the poor for petty infractions that produce fines. When predictably these fines cannot be paid additional fines are piled on top and the person is thrown in prison. In many cases private collection agencies are hired to hound poor people with their increasing mountain of fines collecting money constantly but rarely closing accounts. Milking the poor for city revenue has allowed local governments to provide massive tax breaks for business community and the wealthy. In other words these programs create yet another way to redistribute money from the working class to the capitalist class.

        counterpunch.org

      • Jim Scotts

        That I have to review but if it’s for failure to register your vehicle, failing to insure your vehicle and driving without license then I strongly disagree with you.

      • Anonymous

        Kind of biased already?

      • Jim Scotts

        How is that biased?

      • Anonymous

        You’re already justifying police oppression before even reading the details.

      • Jim Scotts

        Police oppression? Is issuing a speeding ticket police oppression? Speed and DUI kills more people each year then guns

      • Anonymous

        It appears that you haven’t had the opportunity to read the article, but still jump to conclusions.

      • Jim Scotts

        I’m not going to read delusional news stories that are written by paranoid gun grabbing nut jobs.

      • Anonymous

        Then fuck off Jim. Go lick some cops boots.

      • Jim Scotts

        You’re the idiot Joe! I am a law and order guy and cops are an instrument in carrying out law and order. Laws are passed by the people and generally most laws are in place to protect all of the people.

      • Anonymous

        You’re clearly a close minded bigot afraid to examine any evidence that might undermine your boot licking adoration of the police.
        What a punk! you make all kinds of assertions, w/o evidence, then refuse to look at actual evidence that’s presented to you.
        Come back when you learn the rules of argumentation, evidence and debate, but hen, it’s probably far too late for you in that regard

      • Jim Scotts

        Show me the evidence dummy

      • Anonymous

        Go screw yourself Jim. I presented evidence, but you cyber screamed some nonsense about people who want to take your guns away.

      • Jim Scotts

        You’re a huge DB – I’m not a gun nut idiot

      • Anonymous

        Blah blah blah

      • Anonymous

        ” Laws are passed by the people and generally most laws are in place to protect all of the people. ”

        And unicorns are lovely creatures also.

      • Anonymous

        Still more abuse of poor and minority citizens by police:

        Thousands “disappeared” at Chicago Police Homan Square black site.

        ‘http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/29/homan-m10.html

      • Jim Scotts

        Are you serious? Is this even a legit news source? C’mon stick to real news sources that have creditability.

      • Anonymous

        You’re a very ignorant and biased Jim. I’m done with you.
        You’re mind is obviously closed to any new evidence. wsws.org is a respected news site, you stupid close minded bigot.
        Go lick some more cop boots Jim.

      • Jim Scotts

        You’re a child obviously. Talk to me when you grow up

      • Anonymous

        Yeah right Jim. I’m not the “child” hiding my eyes and refusing to look at evidence.
        Intellectually you’re a pathetic punk Jim. I rarely say this, but you are so far below my level of intellect as to make actual intelligent discussion impossible.
        Have a great day, dummy.

      • Jim Scotts

        Show me some evidence dummy. I’m not going to blindly follow what you or any other moron says

      • Anonymous

        I’ve been trying to show you evidence, but like a child you cover your eyes and refuse to see.
        So be it, authoritarians like yourself are never convinced by logic and evidence.

      • Jim Scotts

        You obviously need some mental health help. Please do not reproduce

      • Anonymous

        Blah blah

      • Two Americas

        “The laws broken by the jerks in Wall Street are those behind the scene laws that don’t directly affect us.”

        Who is this “us” that is not directly affected?

      • Anonymous

        Such a narrow view. Do I really need to point you to the many cases where police flat out made mistakes (they’re human obviously )and someone died as a result? So your statement about situations only being worse if you’re committing a crime is flat out wrong…

      • Jim Scotts

        I’m so sick of that BS that you and others like to claim that if the sh-t’s hitting the fan that you’ll handle it yourself. You’ll be on your phone calling 911 asking for help and those fine men and women in blue will come and provide it to you despite your personal hatred for them.

      • Anonymous

        Adtually, no I wont. Unless its a situation where I need a police report for insurance…

      • Jim Scotts

        You are such a liar! Someone breaking into your house you’ll be on 911 begging for police

      • Anonymous

        Honestly, I’m glad you’ve had great interactions with police. I hope it stays that way for you. But I’ve seen enough to know that many of them are criminals with a badge and government support

      • Jim Scotts

        Really? Pretty f’d up for you to say that without any evidence to support that claim.

      • Anonymous

        And let’s be serious, there are plenty of terrible cops who are complicit in crime and actually helping criminals. You’ve gotta realize that

      • Jim Scotts

        Sure and they get arrested too. What’s your point?

      • Anonymous

        Arrested and convicted are two different things right ?

      • Jim Scotts

        Don’t forget “hands up don’t shoot” was a LIE! Ruined the officer’s life! But I bet your okay with that.

      • Anonymous

        If what you’re referring to is true then no I’m not ok with that…unlike you I want fairness and parity for both sides

      • Jim Scotts

        Seriously? Officer Darren Wilson was found to be justified in his use of force against Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO but has since had to resign and go into hiding because BLM terrorist have threatened his life.

      • Anonymous

        Listen, I’m done going back and forth with you because it’s clear you only have a biased agenda. Amd its clear you’re only intetested in throwing out one name or two to support said agenda..I’m glad your interactions with officers have been positive. I hope that continues for you. Take care

      • Jim Scotts

        There have been police officers that have used inappropriate force and those officers were arrested and dealt with. You are being biased. Fact is 99.9% of police encounters occur without any issue. That is a fact! You have a better chance of being struck by lightning then being assaulted by a police officer but only if you’re a lawful citizen. If you want to protest something, protest Political corruption. And as long as you behave, the police will protect your right to protest.

      • Anonymous

        Problem is you’re so on the side of the law that you can’t objectively see that just because officers peers said they were justified doesn’t necessarily mean they werent wrong.. just like when a criminal isn’t convicted, it doesn’t mean that they were in the right, just that they weren’t convicted. If you can’t see that then going back and forth with you is pointless

      • Jim Scotts

        I disagree with you. I try to look at each and every incident objectively. In the Michael Brown case, he attacked an officer and struck the officer several times. If you don’t think getting punched is severe then google “knock out game.” You expect the police to put their lives on the line and you won’t give them the benefit of protecting themselves is pretty f’d up.

      • Anonymous

        Goodbye….

      • Jim Scotts

        Typical far left liberal – if the argument doesn’t suit your agenda you’re out! And I consider myself in the middle leaning left too.

      • Anonymous

        No, it’s just that you’ve said so many biased, untrue comments that I don’t know where to start. So I’m choosing to push my energy elsewhere. Take care

      • Anonymous

        And obviously many go without being arrested too… what’s your point ?

      • Jim Scotts

        Absolutely false! They’re held to a much higher standard. Many officers are getting fired for simply stating their opinion on social media. Imagine that, losing your job over making a statement on social media. Teachers do it all the time and professors at universities actually go out and commit crimes and continue to keep their jobs and teach.

      • Anonymous

        Udder nonsense??!!
        What do cows have to do with it?

      • Anonymous

        ” I would feel more comfortable having my children looked after by a police officer then a teacher, doctor or for that matter a priest!”
        Then you’re a fool.

      • Jim Scotts

        Yes Joe I would! You can leave your kids with a Priest if you like but I’ll stick to the police because I know that 99.9 % of them are absolutely good!

      • Anonymous

        ROFL

      • mobetta

        Our founding fathers were LITERALLY terrorists. Get over yourself and be proud. Standing up to tyranny is a messy job. GET DIRTY.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        How are the founding fathers of the greatest country in the entire world terrorists?

      • mobetta

        You seem to have a hang up with the word “terrorist” and i dont know why. British tyranny deserved terror.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Terrorism is burning down cities so who fits that mold?

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        So ya think the people in the middle east would rather have not had the british teacj them how to extract the oil from the ground. Think any nlacks will leave america and head back to Africa. White colonialists have doubled the life expectancy in colonized counttries. Turned them from 100% third world into participants in rhe first world.,your welcome! Looking at the world thru a tiny window is your loss. America does more global charity work in the world then any other country. Your a hate filled idiot,,I pity your sad negative existence.

      • mobetta

        You drunk or what? I love America and served in combat. It doesnt make me love America any less that we terrorized the British…and I dont know why it offends you either.

      • mobetta

        You drunk or what? I love America and served in combat. It doesnt make me love America any less that we terrorized the British…and I dont know why it offends you either.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        We terrorized the british? Dont know what that means. Sorry wrong thread…

      • OneOut

        Because they weren’t terrorists, they were revolutionaries.

        Different words with different meanings.

      • mobetta

        LOL. How relative.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, compare the eloquence of BLM minions with that of our founding fathers. Pish.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        What they say they are is different then what they really are.Hate group filled with racial hatred is more fitting

      • DaveZ71

        Corey, I agree that it is complicated, but I don’t believe it’s too ingrained to change. When the organizers of BLM incite a riot, they should be held accountable for it’s destruction. When they do not denounce the rioters and remove them from their ranks, they are going to be held accountable for the criminals who use them as an excuse. When the police are responding to rioting and looting, they can and should respond with whatever tools they have to do the job of restoring peace and arrive back home safely. Asking people to be nice and go home wasn’t working. Undoubtedly, we need officers who treat people with respect, and a public that is understanding of the challenges of law enforcement, and responds to officers like people. When they are looking for a criminal, or have contacted someone for violating a law, it is also that person’s responsibility to respond in a manner that does not create hostility. People have a personal responsibility for their part of every interaction.
        I don’t know where you live, but here in CA the average black person doesn’t operate under this cloud of “expected racism”. They tend to treat a police officer with respect, and are therefore not treated disrespectfully by the police officer. I won’t throw out a number because I don’t have one, but a very significant portion of people (of all skin colors) killed by police were apparently NOT cooperating. Again, I don’t have a number but it’s obvious from the news reports that many of those suspects who do not cooperate are black and “tired of being persecuted”. Then they respond negatively to police contact or resist instead of being compliant. That could very well be a major contributor to the violent outcome of the interaction. The idea that someone should respond like a jerk, or should physically fight with officers because they think they’re right, sets a certain tone and has lead to many unnecessary funerals.

      • A movement is defined by how well it controls the more extreme elements within it. If you have people chanting after a police officer has been killed about how nice that was, and you do nothing as a movement to deny those extreme ideas, then you are rightfully defined by them. If your leaders call for a riot and one happens, then you are rightfully defined by all the photos. If you beat down the guests in a restaurant you’ve taken over to deliver your message, you are defined by the resulting cellphone pics.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      “seemingly indifferent when a police officer gets killed.”

      The thing is though is when an officer gets killed the most prominent faces of BLM speaks up and denounces the killing. True there are factions within the group that are indifferent but you have people like Deray and Marc Lamont Hill go on tv and state the movement is about peace and it’s wrong when officers are killed/targeted. Even on social the response from key BLM members is one of condolences. Hell Eric Garner’s daughter laid the flowers at the memorial for the slain officers in NY. But the same isn’t done when the roles are reversed. You don’t see officers or law enforcement condemn shootings when one of their own unjustly shoots a civilian. When Amadou Diallo was shot 19 times there weren’t LE officials going on tv expressing sorrow. It as well he looked like a rape suspect they were chasing and he couldn’t understand English. When Sam Dubose was shot in the back of the head were there police officers stating how unfortunate the shooting was? No there wasn’t. Now you might say officers don’t want to comment during an ongoing case. Ok what about Rekia Boyd. A woman from Chicago shot in the back in the head by a police officer who claimed he was shot but lied and fired his weapon into a crowd. After the case there wasn’t a string of people showing remorse it was just the same silence as it always is.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Chicago? Blacks kill 30 blacks in a slow weekend there….

      • The Big City of Dreams

        What is that in reference to exactly?

      • Koolibog

        …Black Lies Matter…

      • Anonymous

        “The thing is though is when an officer gets killed the most prominent faces of BLM speaks up and denounces the killing.” — Yeah, more a “we didn’t do this and had no contribution to it” reason, than a benevolent reason.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        No they actually speak out against it. I’ve seen BLM leaders say this officer shouldn’t have been killed and we don’t condone violence. It’s not just a bunch of people giving a scooby doo reaction and state don’t look over here.

    • Anonymous

      You think #BlackLivesMatter actually cares? They don’t. See their initial response to the killing of Jamyla Bolden. They’ll say that it’s a separate issue and they’re only concentrating on killings that involve cops. Then don’t use the hashtag Black Lives Matter, implying they matter in all circumstances.

    • SLUGGLIFE

      Excellent post. I came late to this article and story and still can’t seem to find out what the problem is. Who was offended? Why strip Argus of funding? Doesn’t make sense. Unfortunately, the climate has been established that if BLM has any type of grievance, instead of hashing it out on the battlefield of ideals it’s better to air their grievance in a way that affects the rights of others yet benefits BLM. This is why we reject their positions. Endless grievances for grievance sake wears people out and they tire of your endless demands.

      Again, excellent post.

    • N “Knows” Davis

      Kaloskagathos: Well said. In my opinion there needs to be a movement in the US for ALL RACES which encourages couples to marry first and be at least somewhat established before having children (at least HS or GED, an apartment, a job, a car, and much love and commitment between the couple).

      I know that sounds unrealistic (sort of like the 1950s), the way things are right now; but that foundation makes it so that we are able to give children the sort of foundation they need to become good citizens, good police officers and humans who have a chance to succeed in life…. maybe learn a trade or even go to college. Yes the problems are worse in inner cities, but those caught in those inner city environments do seem to be “marked” a bit more and have more problems. We need to do something to help them.

      I live in a 55% black city in the southeast where the mayor is a black woman as is the city manager. I live on both the Pacific and South eastern Atlantic coasts and so get to see a variety of ways of living. I am white, but my south eastern coastal city home is near an historically black university and the neighborhood is working to (middle) -middle class and about 35% black. The home owners who live around me all get along well and work hard (some with 2 jobs). Their children (black or white), tend to go to community college to get a technical degree or university. The homes are smallish 1950s and so do not meet the section 8 standards so there are no section 8 homes around (which, I am sorry to say, probably helps the low crime of the neighborhood). I see my black and white neighbors as identical…hard working couples with children- some elderly whites mixed in- who live in 3 BR one bath homes they own and take good care of. We are Americans. We are southerners living side by side with care and love.

      I see much success in this rather middle class city where both blacks and whites work hard to try to make a nice community. We do have the advantage that the state provides free tuition college tuition for each child who graduates with a B average and they get to keep the free tuition as long as they maintain that B (there is NO income limit on the high end either). I think this gives EVERYONE hope. This 55% black populated city has 26% college graduates. No federal anything was used to accomplish this. It is individual, state and local effort

      There are still problems, but with the police force being made up of all races I do not hear of police officers picking in any race.

      Of course even here, there are some problems with shootings among the youth who seem to not have had good example or direction set for them. There are section 8 area that are dangerous. We are the first state that tried mixing section 8 into the suburbs. That just brought those house prices down after the few shootings began. Even 2 or three shootings in “nice” suburbia brings the home values down. There has to be another way….. (as mention at the beginning of this statement)

    • Two Americas

      You should run for president. White folks love that stuff.

  • Cthulu

    NO LIVES MATTER

  • VCstudentagainstliberalgroupth

    I stand with you Bryan Stascavage. You’ve got my support. I agree with what you’re saying.

    -Vassar student

  • John

  • Anonymous

    This comment section is a real rollercoaster. I start off thinking someone has a great point, then a few inches down the page that same person is acting like a total moron.

  • Simon Wethersby

    Come on, not as bad as the time I heard the bros calling rape a ‘hot Cosby’.

  • Simon Wethersby

    Here’s a microaggression against marginalized individuals

    http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s19e01-stunning-and-brave

  • UNI BALL

    I really don’t subscribe to this Fox News meme of “Fair and Balanced”. It’s a conservative ploy to spread disinformation and create false narratives. You suggest that we need to check our anger at the door and come together to solve the problem of police brutality? Let me know when you think we should negotiate with murderers and pedophiles instead of putting them in jail. The police are out of control and always have been. Sure, they’re not all bad, but when the good ones stand aside and don’t confront or report the misdeeds of the bad ones, that is being complicit. The bad ones, the killers and abusers always get off because their fellow good officers don’t believe they need to act. Suggesting that BLM members show love an support to police departments is ludicrous. Are the police really scared? Well we’ve all been scared of them for far too long now. What’s the answer. The police need to change. They cannot continue to hide behind their blue wall of silence. The bad cops need to be prosecuted and jailed. There’s no “other” side to this. It’s pretty straight forward. You commit a crime, you go to jail. We’ve never had a get out of jail free card. Murderers and abusers on the police force should be treated no different.

    • John

      The problem with BLM’s tactics is that those few bad cops aren’t leaving and the good ones are leaving inner city police departments in droves. 500 cops have quit in D.C. over the last year or so, for example, and
      they have no conceivable means to replace them. Those inner cities need the police there and BLM has created an extremely dangerous situation. So let me ask you this: Are you prepared to become a cop to fill the vacuum you’ve created?

    • KatelynsNana

      So, when someone inspired by BLM, such as the coward in New York that ambushed two officers in a car, BLM should celebrate (as they did)? Why? Why shouldn’t they, if the movement is legit, denounce that type of cowardly action, inspired by their movement? Because they didn’t, many people do not support them, because they celebrate every cop’s death. So, here’s the blanket statement … all of BLM hates cops because all cops are bad. Turn about is fair play, right?

      It is noteworthy also that most of the “bad cops” tend to be in dense urban areas on the east and west coasts, not so much in flyover country. I wonder why that is?

  • Bryan Miscariage

    This cat is the most painfully generic conservative fuckwit this side of the Mason Dixon. Dude wants to be the next Stephen Crowder so bad.

  • Matthew Slyfield

    “Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home.”

    True, but they shouldn’t be. The fact is that 2015 is on track to be the second safest year ever for police officers, second only to 2013. Not only are fewer officers being killed, the number of assaults on officers are down.significantly over the last few decades.

    Officer’s are more afraid then ever not because they have more reason to fear, but their trainers and unions deliberately engaging in fear mongering. Telling officers that they only have a 50/50 chance of walking away from any one traffic stop, which is pure nonsense.

    • John

      That’s exactly the sort of fear the BLM movement is instilling in the black community. Statistically, a black person is over 30 times more likely to die in an automobile accident than at the hands of the police.

      The facts are that while blacks are twice as likely to be arrested as whites, blacks are no more likely to be killed by police (per incidence of arrest) than whites. So they shouldn’t be any more afraid of the police than anyone else.

      • Matthew Slyfield

        A little over 50 officers have been killed so far this year.

        On the other hand US police so far have killed 853 people.

        http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

        Perhaps the problem isn’t that blacks are more afraid than they should be, maybe the problem is that you aren’t afraid enough.

      • John

        Statistically, I’m about as likely to die at the hands of a cop as I am to be killed in a car accident. I take precautions, but I don’t obsess over it; precautions like not committing crimes, getting into physical altercations with armed people, etc. “How not to get killed by the police” isn’t a difficult subject matter.

      • Matthew Slyfield

        Cops have kill a lot of unarmed and innocent people over the last year.

        Innocent people have died in SWAT raids on wrong addresses.

        There was a man who survived, but was shot in the leg when he reached for his ID after a cop demanded to see it.

        “How not to get killed by the police” isn’t as easy as you think.

      • John

        You’re strawmanning. No one is asserting there is absolutely no room for improvement re police conduct and community interactions. What people are contesting is the scope of such behavior. Police make upwards of 10 million arrests per year. That works out to something like 30,000 per day. That things go wrong in an iota of those encounters does not an epidemic make. The fact is that in 99.99% of arrests nothing goes wrong. And of that 0.01% of the time when the police kill a person, in the overwhelming majority of those cases had the cop not killed the person the person would have killed the cop. So you can talk about only 50 police officers being killed compared to 853 people killed by the police, but instead of 50 that number could easily be 500 had the officers in question not acted without hesitation.

      • Buck

        The only way that’s true is if you are an armed felon on the run who just robbed a bank.

      • Wow

        Perhaps the problem is the ever soaring crime rate and drug epidemic. People like yourself don’t realize there are places in this country that are so dangerous. You throw stats of police related deaths but forget to mention the murders and crime going on in every city across the nation. Very naive.

      • Matthew Slyfield

        There is no soaring crime rate. Go look at the FBI statistics. Crime rates are down across the board in almost every category. There are occasionally year over year spikes, but crime rates are at or near 20 year lows.

      • Buck

        While the trend is downward, and the nationwide crime rate is lower, there are areas of dramatically increased crimes. Baltimore, 246 murders so far this year (compared to 211 in all of last year). DC just passed their murder count from last year. Denver is at 40, vs 28 at this time last year. Crime is up 14% in Seattle. Curious – what do all of these cities have in common?

      • Matthew Slyfield

        The magnitude of increases you mention taken from historic lows are hardly “dramatic”

      • Buck

        Please use statistics correctly. 853 people, most were armed and dangerous. Those idiots began there day wanting to do harm to someone else. The policeman began his day wanting to come home alive.

    • KatelynsNana

      “50/50 chance of walking away from any one traffic stop, which is pure nonsense.”

      Tell that to the troopers who are shot upon approaching a car pulled over on the highway. Granted, there are not many, yet, but one is too many. Those acts, pulling a gun and shooting an officer, or anyone, without warning or in the back, is a case of pure cowardice.

      • Matthew Slyfield

        but one is too many.

        “Granted, there are not many, yet,”

        The numbers of such shootings are not increasing, so there wont be that many ever.

        Given the tiny numbers of such shootings and the very large number of traffic stops in the US, the odds that any given officer will get shot during any given traffic stop is around the same order of magnitude as the odds that the officer will be struck by lightning during the same traffic stop.

        “but one is too many.”

        Agreed, but one is also too many for unarmed drivers shot because an officer panicked because he had been fed a ridiculous myth about how risky his or her job is.

      • KatelynsNana

        and the same for armed drivers who have been conditioned to believe all cops are “out to get them.” there is no easy answer, and there is blame to go all the way around.

  • Jim Scotts

    Finally a Wesleyan Student that actually gets it! I applaud Mr. Stascavage for having the courage to speak his mind and address this issue. The BLM movement is most certainly a questionable movement promoting violence to achieve their agenda. Certainly not something the Great Dr. MLK would approve of.

  • Steersman

    Quite a good article on a very complex issue. And, arguably, an important contribution to an increasingly
    necessary “national conversation on race”. And one that shouldn’t be aborted because some (few) students get their knickers in a twist and want to impose egregious censorship because the Argus was supposedly remiss in not providing “safe spaces”.

    However, while there seems no shortage of evidence for “racism among the police”, the fact that “Black Lives Matter rallies [were] cheering after an officer is killed” suggests that no small amount of blame can be laid at the doorsteps of the black community itself.

    And one of the better and more balanced expositions of that point of view was Cathy Young’s article from
    about a year ago titled, Ferguson Beyond Black and White; a few salient quotes from it:

    Others on the right—not only Rush Limbaugh but black commentators such as Jason Riley—are taking a more traditional conservative view which sees the black community’s worst woes as due not to racism but to its own cultural problems, aggravated by the welfare state and liberal paternalism.

    Each of these narratives—“racial injustice” and “cultural dysfunction”—has its truths and its blinders. Each, by itself, is overly simplistic and (as it were) black and white, both with regard to the situation in Ferguson and with regard to the larger picture. ….

    But it’s also difficult to take the liberal narrative seriously when it results in such fallacies as writer Jamelle Bouie’s purported debunking of the “myth of black-on-black crime.” The gist of Bouie’s argument is that most violence involves same-race victims and offenders, regardless of racial group. True; but, unfortunately, it’s no myth that a vastly disproportionate number of intra-racial murders in America—almost 50 percent—are black-on-black. ….

    At the same time, no amount of reform can completely eliminate racial tensions around law enforcement as long as African-Americans are disproportionately involved in crime. That brings us to the much larger unfinished business of racial inequality. The “national conversation on race” is a perennial cliché. But the only way to even get that conversation started is to listen to different voices.

  • Glocks and Coon Hounds

    I do not see anything wrong with this article and / or its message. I actually thing its a good thing to get folks to come out and discuss what’s going on here. Yet, these students and teachers who have signed that petition are trying to keep us all uninformed and keep us from talking openly about things like this very topic. Just because BLM is supposed to be a movement to stop racially motivated police brutality, we don’t have the right to question its sincerity? whether or not they are being hypocritical? or even if they are a legitimate, Anti Racist movement, or just another hate group? And those who do have a problem most likely only do so either out of confusion because they are now programed to speak out or shut down anything or anyone who even mentions “Black Lives Matter” along with a word like “wrong”, or “Illegal” or “Hate group” in the same paragraph, or because they just don’t understand that every movement has its dark side… every group, no matter how good their intentions or how righteous their leaders or creators or founders are / were, will have members or even non members, doing things, committing crimes, being bad…in the groups name. Like the “Smith” kid in the interview above states, ““You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.” … This is true yet, even he does not truly believe this… If he did, if we all did, we would not be where we are today, in 2015. we’d be much further along.

  • Tomas Jones

    Disagree with Argus? Shut it down! Way to go, Wesleyan! Not sure ya’ll understand the whole free speech thing.

    • NoNonsense

      Well, I’m sure. They don’t understand.

  • Tomas Jones

    Holy crap, you folks just don’t get it. It’s called the f-ing First Amendment. There’s absolutely no goddamn grey area here, gang. Stascavage wrote — say it with me, everyone — an OPINION piece. See how that works? It’s his opinion. It’s what he thinks. Not the paper. Him.

    Do I agree with him? No. Will I defend his right to say what he thinks? Yes.

    That’s how it works in our country, kids.

    So take your entitled, trustafarian selves a few steps back.

    Free speech, kids. Couple o’ good books been written on the subject. Maybe read ’em?

    • CissyScum

      B-but my liberal arts professors taught me that free speech is hate speech and that’s exactly like shouting ‘adult vocational classes’ in a burning Baltimore CVS.

      • ROTFLMAO I just got coffee on my keyboard

      • Hawg Jaw

        Yo professr be a dumb ass coon

      • Anonymous

        Ha ha! I’m stealing that one, CissyScum!

    • Anonymous

      Those rejecting freedom of speech are precious, fragile flowers. It’s so scary, after all, the real world of discussion, negotiation and debate.

      • FindingAtlantis

        Ain’t nobody got time for dat!

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        What you talking about? Getting a job? Yea, I got no time for dat!

      • Anonymous

        The Left is on warp speed to shut down freedom of OTHERS speech. Old Bernie S. was invited to evillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll evangelical Liberty College ( a very good school, btw) and was treated with respect and kindness. The students listened and applauded at some of what he said. Nobody heckled, he was not threatened, he did not need armed police to walk him in and out. See how they treat a Conservative at Columbia. My, such a fab univ, Columbia. I mean, even the smartest guy EVER went there…BHObama! Ooooops, nobody remembers him….

      • Voice_of_Reason

        in my experience, conservatives tend to be much kinder and more respectful of people they disagree with than so-called liberals are.

        and they tend to pick up their trash after a rally.

      • Anonymous

        And yet, the Constitution extends protection to free speech ONLY from government censorship. There is no constitutionally protected speech beyond that. Thus, there is no response to this op ed that can be called an attempted violation of First Amendment rights nor could a refusal by the Argus editorial board to decline publication of this piece be termed an assault on the First Amendment. There is nothing in this entire story that is even tangentially related to constitutionally protected speech.

        “Amendment 1
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”

        Note that there is NO absolute protection of free speech, there is ONLY protection from government censorship. There simply is no constitutional basis for the notion of absolute free speech.

    • Anonymous

      The invocation of the First Amendment in this instance is specious. Since the Argus is not an arm of the government, no claim to First Amendment protection can be made. Nobody enjoys a constitutionally protected guarantee of an op ed in the Argus. The ONLY constitutional protection to free speech in the First Amendment is from governmental censorship. Thus the publisher and editorial board can refuse anybody an op ed column for any reason without infringing upon their First Amendment rights to free speech. However, concerning your larger absolutist free speech position, there are many topics that the Argus would not touch with a ten foot pole, such as op eds which advocated blatant racism, anti Semitism, pedophilia, domestic violence, etc., no matter how ardently a staff writer pushed for the inclusion of such columns. Additionally, most other Western democracies have no such sacrosanct deification of free speech at all costs – Canada and Germany spring to mind – and they are not functionally less free than we are. Fetishization of absolute free speech only benefits those who would abuse it most. There can be, should be, and indeed are reasonable limits – some imposed by government, some merely by self restraint – upon speech.

      • Tom Wichita

        The First also Includes freedom of the Press, Freedom to congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression.

        You don’t agree with piece, write our own opinion for the paper. Express your freedom of the press.

      • Anonymous

        And yet, the First Amendment protections of free speech extend ONLY to government censorship. Exactly how do “freedom of the Press, Freedom to congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression” mean that someone has a constitutionally protected right to an op ed in the Argus? Please read the First Amendment and see what it actually says in reference to constitutionally protected speech.

      • Tom Wichita

        YOU really don’t understand what you are talking about do you. The First Amendment covers religion, press and other forms of speech. This debate we are having is about a newspaper and what it wrote. Freedom of the press is covered in the first Amendment. So your argument, while normally correct, is lacking here. The First is fully relevant in this debate.

      • Anonymous

        Can you not read? I SPECIFICALLY mention “the First Amendment protections of free speech” and NEVER claim that is the only subject the First Amendment applies to. In this instance it has been invoked ONLY in regards to the freedom of speech – which is quite clearly spelled out in the Constitution as applying ONLY to government censorship. How is freedom of religion or assembly even remotely germane to the discussion?

      • Tom Wichita

        And yet, the First Amendment protections of free speech extend ONLY to
        government censorship. Exactly how do “freedom of the Press, Freedom to
        congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression” mean
        that someone has a constitutionally protected right to an op ed in the
        Argus?

        1-The above shows you did question what the 1sts applies to.
        2-Thomas Jones just said “the First Amendment”. You limited that and did not include press as you show in the above statement when you question why I would bring in the press.
        3-You keep discussing Government censorship. Yes My right to speak in public is granted by the first, But the first Also allows for freedom of religion. That is not a Government Censorship issue (as you are discussing. Down deep you could argue the government could close any church they don’t like.) Freedom of the press is also a right that is granted under the first (and unless you are arguing the government allows which press may print and which press may not print) running/owning a paper does not fall under that argument either.
        4-Freedom of religion and assembly are both strong parts of the first few talk about in these discussions. and to say the fist is only about speech limits the power of the first.
        5- we are discussing what can a paper write and print. people are trying to shut down the paper for printing things they don’t like. The “First” gives the paper the right to print what it wants.

      • Anonymous

        Read the First Amendment. Sorry to break it to you, but no, there is NO general right to absolute free speech. That is a common misconception, but the idea is no less wrong for its prevalence. Additionally, you can invoke the entire Constitution, but I SPECIFICALLY limited my discussion to the free speech and free press section of the First Amendment. Your dragging in religion into this discussion is a rather bizarre straw man argument. And since neither did I call for the Argus to be shut down, your lobbing that over the transom is just another logical fallacy. You may disagree with my opinion of Stascavage’s piece, but the wording of the First Amendment is really quite clear on this point: the ONLY constitutionally protected speech is that protected from government interference. If you disagree, please cite the bit in the First Amendment that supports your position.

        Funny how little you actually put into practice your much vaunted devotion to absolute free speech the very instant you encounter an idea with which you disagree – whether or not you actually understand it is another matter. However, my right to free speech is every bit as sacrosanct as Stascavage’s – or yours.

      • Tom Wichita

        1- The reason I jumped in to this argument is for the fact that you stated the First only applies to speech. I jumped in and said it also applies to press, religion, and such. you debated this with me and now you say you have always said you were adding in the press section along with speech.
        2- I believe the article in the Argus is good and I am for the papers right to print what they want. Many people are boycotting this paper now based on this article and it’s right to print it. Thomas said he was for the article and the paper’s right to print the article and you jumped him for saying that. I jumped you for jumping Thomas. Now you claim to be for the Paper and their right to free speech.
        3-“there is NO general right to absolute free speech”–I love it when people pull statements out of mid air and start arguing them as if the other side has already argued the other point. Few would argue with you on this. Let me try. “Puppies are cute and only a sociopath would say otherwise.” Did I do that right?
        4-You keep bring up The fact that ” the ONLY constitutionally protected speech is that protected from government interference” So What?? Your argument does not define what you want to really say. It only recants a concept thrown around forums without any real understanding of the idea behind it. I was trying to explain a little more broadly in the last post that the First is more complicated then your High School teacher led you to believe.

        The First is a beautiful amendment and to ever say it ONLY means this or ONLY means that is simplistic and ignorant.

      • Anonymous

        Lameass straw man as I most certainly did NOT limit the First Amendment only to free speech, I just chose to talk about the free speech and press sections because those are the only ones that logically apply to this conversation. When did you stop beating your wife?

      • Tomas Jones

        Somebody’s acing pre-law!

      • Tom Wichita

        and you have the right to express that opinion because you live here in the USA.

      • Anonymous

        I guess you get to decide… or do you want a tyranny of the majority… or would putting the job into the hands of an elite few suit you? Canada is functionally less than we are. They took serious steps to try the author of a book. ThIs that what you want? Germany tried full government control of speech and ended up cleansing million of innocent people and you use them as an example? The logical argument is that Germany, with a much greater level of free speech than in the past, has made large humanitarian strides. See how that works. So please, answer the questions and get off your unicorn.

      • Anonymous

        Lameass red herrings and straw man arguments. Why not just comment on what I actually wrote instead of your febrile fantasies? Half my family lives in Canada. You don’t know sh*t about Canada, so spare me your silly claims about apocryphal totalitarianism. As for your BS claims about Germany, how about some demonstrable, verifiable facts instead of vague hazy nonspecific claims? My but I found it curious how you would ostensibly defend free speech unless someone actually disagrees with you. Hypocrisy much?

      • Anonymous

        As I suspected, when pinned down with actual questions based on reality, the liberal refuses to get off of his unicorn and simple chooses to not participate in reality. You didn’t answer a single question. I of course provided facts, not unicorn theory.

        So in Canada:
        1. In 1962, D.H Lawrence’s Lady Chatterley’s Lover faced a court in a decision to be banned in Canada.
        2. A complaint against Mark Steyn and his published book/excerpts was heard before three human rights commissions in Canada.
        3. This is not freedom of speech as we know it and that makes it “functionally less than us.” It is not a super power. The same goes for Germany which is just barely allowed to send troops anywhere. Not a super power and is only economically powerful because we rebuilt it after they tried the whole fascist thing (lack of freedom of speech) that you support and then were destroyed by people with free speech.

        Germany does not have more freedom of speech than under Nazi control? That is specific and if you doubt it, since it is widely known and accepted, the burden of proof is on you. My statement is verifiable and historically accurate.

        Hypocrisy? Because I stand up for freedom of speech and disagree with people? think you need to pull out a dictionary and well as history book, and maybe a few news articles on how Canada tries to control speech and where that ultimately leads.

        “Fetishization of absolute free speech only benefits those who would abuse it.” That is a straw man. Who says you can yell fire in a crowded theatre or make violent threats towards a person?

        You ride on unicorns and couldn’t answer a single direct question. All of your points and arguments are baseless. You cant refute anything I said.

  • David DeBlois

    This article forced an apology? Why? Seems to me it’s a grounded, neutral and objective piece breaking down both sides of the argument and race debate between the Police and BLM. His only real criticism is directed towards those in the BLM movement that are clearly in the game to stoke racial fires and make it a violent movement. I think any rational human being should denigrate violence towards ANY other persons, as well as those that not only condone it, but also those that applaud it.

    I found this comment ironic; Smith countered with, “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

    I’m sorry, but liberal thinking has been doing that for years with conservatives. Every white person is expected to shares some element of blame for the murders in South Carolina. Realizing that extremest elements get the most coverage by our click-bait happy media is something everyone needs to learn to comprehend. And socially, we need to to stop with systemically linking their view points to the greater masses.

    The world is full of bigots, no one denies this, but this article isn’t written by one, we should always defend peoples rights to their opinions, and we should learn to engage in debate, as opposed to mud-slinging, when we come across someone with different viewpoints. We’ve become a society of that acts like petulant children anytime someone says something we don’t agree with.

    Not a fan of socialized medicine? You’re a racist.
    Pro-choice? You’re a baby murderer.
    Believe in a small federal government? You’re a tin foil wearing wing-nut.

    We need to learn how to have divisive conversations like adults…and stop giving voice to the extremist elements in our country.

    Peace.

    • Jennifer

      Yes!!! Thank you…

    • Apple Pick

      I agree. This is a wide-spread issue. If you don’t agree with the mainstream norms, then you are outed in society.

      As a Christian, I’m called homophobic because I don’t support gay rights. Funny, because I have friends that are gay. Jesus taught me to love others, even when you don’t agree with them. When people hold up signs that say “God hates f**s,” that’s the opposite of what God would want.

      Free speech and the freedom of expression should exist in our country, but they are being killed by through the media, political correctness, and ourselves.

    • Tom Wichita

      “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

      Isn’t this the whole basis of the BLM Movement? A few cops act poorly and every cop is bad in their eyes. Seems ironic to use that defense when their whole movement is based on that simple premise.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Isn’t this the whole basis of the BLM Movement? A few cops act poorly and every cop is bad in their eyes.

        —————

        That’s because it’s not just a few cops but the system as a whole. It’s the same system that enforces and encourages the blue wall of silence. It’s not just about Darren Wilson or Daniel Pantaleo.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        You can say “the system as a whole” all day long…zero proof..zero facts.. Darren WILSON was found innocent because black senior citizen eyewitnesses backed the officers story. Thats why the black presidents black attourney general DID NOT INDICT! BLACK WITNESSES EXHONERATE OFFICER WILSON. JUSTICE DONE!

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “You can say “the system as a whole” all day long…zero proof..zero facts.”

        The proof is in the treatment of the ppl. White people use drugs at the same or higher rate than black people. Yet black people are more likely to get stopped and searched. In Ferguson we’ve seen reports or minority motorist being unfairly targeted when it comes to over ticketing.

        “Thats why the black presidents black attourney general DID NOT INDICT! BLACK WITNESSES EXHONERATE OFFICER WILSON. JUSTICE DONE!”

        You yourself don’t believe he’s truly innocent.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        HELL YES HES INNOCENT! Dont attack and I wont have to put a bull3et in your head. Its real simple.Your defense of the soulless satanic animal savagely attacking like a rabid dog over an innocent person doing his job speaks volumes about your lack of any morals. This is why the black community is the most fucked up self destructive segment of our population. 4% of the population commit more violent crimes then the other 96%.!!! Thats utterly insane! Who do you think the 4% is genius? Just because more black got tickets doesnt prove anything. Other then they dont obey driving laws at a higher rate. The white drug dealers in white suburbs dont have guns and arent in gangs and arent out on the street selling in high crime high drug trafficing areas. See you have zero facts and zero proof..just vague reductionist arguements based in fantasy. The black drug dealer commits a whole host of serious violent crimes and felonies the white drug dealers in the suburbs dont.so in your twisted world view its not hyper violent black war zones killing 24 blacks a day thats the problem its the cops trying to stop the killing of 24 blacks a day thats the problem?!? People that are ruled by their base emotions are the easiest people to fool in the entire world,…you been played…

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “Your defense of the soulless satanic animal savagely attacking like a rabid dog over an innocent person doing his job speaks volumes about your lack of any morals. ”

        The fact you would describe MB in that way says more about you than it does me.

        “Just because more black got tickets doesnt prove anything.”

        Targeting ppl based on their race proves a lot.

        “4% of the population commit more violent crimes then the other 96%”

        Where did that number come from?

        “Other then they dont obey driving laws at a higher rate.”

        You realize many people were stopped just because and then were ticketed right?

        “The white drug dealers in white suburbs dont have guns and arent in gangs and arent out on the street selling in high crime high drug trafficing areas.”

        You can’t be in the drug game if you don’t do at least two of those things. They tend to go hand in hand. And I’m not necessarily referring to dealers but users.

        “People that are ruled by their base emotions are the easiest people to fool in the entire world,…you been played…”

        Judging by the post you’re the emotional one: typing in caps, exclamation points, insults, etc. My post made you puff your chest out. Breathe easy man it’s just the internet lol

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Your pretending that you have a clue how white people think or act or live is like a 2 dimensional being trying to grasp the third dimension. Our lives and thought processes are INFINITELY MORE COMPLEX then you can imagine. The elderly african americans backed up officer wilsons story..that means he savagely attacked a cop and begged for the bullet…hes got exactly what he asked for..why are you whining like a bitch. He went out like a “real nigga”! You do know what that means right? Do you deny thug culture exists and dominates in black communities? That way of thinking is why 93% of black deaths are from anorher black but thats not a problem to the soulless forces of lawlessness like you. Cops killing blacks is less then one percent! The majority of which is completely justified. Dont attack dont try to kill dont pull a gun dont shoot dont resist…COMPLY OR DIE!

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “Your pretending that you have a clue how white people think or act or live is like a 2 dimensional being trying to grasp the third dimension. ”

        What statements have I made about white people outside of the statement about white drug users?

        “Our lives and thought processes are INFINITELY MORE COMPLEX then you can imagine.”

        Give me the insight that I seem to be missing.

        “why are you whining like a bitch”

        Another insult. I’m not the one whining just debating like a normal person.

        “You do know what that means right?”

        You tell me what it means.

        “Do you deny thug culture exists and dominates in black communities?”

        It exists within the black community. For some reason though outsiders looking in tend to believe that’s all there is to the community.

        ” That way of thinking is why 93% of black deaths are from anorher black but thats not a problem to the soulless forces of lawlessness like you.”

        How can you say it’s not a problem for me and ppl like me when there are so many groups and organizations geared toward black on black crime. For many yrs I spent time helping out and volunteering at the after school program at a place I used to attend. I’ve asked this before but I’ll try again. You seem to know a lot about the black community and their problems. My question is how are you helping the people in the community who need help.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Non hood white drug users and dealers are not part of a gang controlled competitive market. STOP DROP SHUT EM DOWN OPEN UP SHOP! LoL weed and pills not crack and meth. People who choose to skirt the law know what can and does happen. They arent victims when they get arrested. Your view that the black criminal is the victim when they get caught is silly. What is the ONLY larger than life role model for impressionable young black teens in inner citys? Gangsta rap..whiich is the.mosr evil illiterate mysogenistic crude handbook on how to die or go to jail. IM JUST A NIGGER FROM THE GHETTO BUT NOW IM IN THE GAME AND IM BALLING LIKE CARMELLO! EVER PULL A TRIGGER? YUP! EVER SNITCH ON A NIGGER? NOPE! My point is that 99% of black peoples problems….wait for it….AND A BITCH AINT ONE! Their problems are internal…we cant fix them. Cops save more black lives then anyone else by locking up violent gun weilding black criminals. So your solution to weaken the police only leads to higher rates of black on black killing. Baltimore is all the proof you ever need. Cops cant do their jobs …200 shootings a month..just passes detroit in homocides! Its the BLMeffect…

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Youtube. 1000 black people riot at florida mall again. How many do you want?

      • The Big City of Dreams

        So all the black community is is a bunch of rioters? That seems to be the theme you’re running with.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Youtube ….Monroeville mall riot

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Ok and the point is what exactly?

      • Kizmet Paradigm
      • The Big City of Dreams

        The point of the video is what exactly? Violence is bad and shouldn’t occur but what point are you trying to prove?

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        And the 93% of black on black murders have the ” NO SNITCHING” wall of silence. Cops killing blacks is less then one percent. So this is where you tell me less them one percent is greater then 93%!!!

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “And the 93% of black on black murders have the ” NO SNITCHING” wall of silence.”

        Sounds like it’s built on the same foundation as the blue wall.

      • Kizmet Paradigm

        Except one is there so we can live in a civil lawful society and the other is hellbent on destroying anything in its path and the primary cause of an unpresidented level of lawlessness and insane violence. Would you want to live or raise a family in a city with 200 shootings a month?

      • The Big City of Dreams

        “Except one is there so we can live in a civil lawful society”

        Lol you think the blue wall of silence is done for that reason. It’s done to protect the officers and close ranks.

  • SocialJusticeScientist

    Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s and you deserve to be heard. BUT, there are so many marginalized communities that have important opinions that are NEVER heard, NEVER uplifted. People are so quick to defend YOU and YOUR right to free speech, but mainstream media continues to stifle the voices of the marginalized. So, your job is to listen to people who are different than you and to uplift voices that have not been heard. Keep using your voice, but make space for voices that traditionally were never acknowledged. As an alum of an equally liberal, private, elite university, I totally get it. It feels like if you aren’t PC enough you aren’t allowed to speak. That shouldn’t be the way. I mean, if you hadn’t written this op-ed your racism would have went unchecked. Now that people are telling you what you are saying is racist, go do the work. And guess what? If at the end of the day you still believe what you wrote, then well, I guess we know who you truly are: a fateful agent of white supremacy.

    *Also, how many times does this have to be explained? RACISM = POWER + PREJUDICE
    Therefore, Black people and their movements CANNOT be racist. Racism exists to uphold white supremacy…there is no such thing as reverse racism. Jeez, I thought we all understood this.

    • Cassandrason

      Lol. Trying to figure out if your comment is satire. If so, bravo. If not, we know who you truly are: just another fateful fool of an “elite” education system that encourages PC inanities to pass as respectable thought.

      • North

        And an illiterate one at that!

    • Anonymous

      Wow, they’ve really lowered the standards for admission at Wesleyan. There is no such thing as white supremacy – it’s a made up term that comes from the warped imaginations of black people.

      Enjoy your affirmative action education funded by white taxpayers. I’m sure you’ll have a great career at the department of motor vehicles.

    • “As an alum of an equally liberal private, elite university, I totally get it . . . if you hadn’t written this op-ed your racism WOULD HAVE WENT unchecked.” I guess they didn’t teach you the past participle of the verb to go at that elite university you attended, huh?

    • Per your syllogism (with which I largely agree) racism = power + prejudice. So, if a group of minority students, who have POWER over the funding process, together demand that a school newspaper be defunded because they personally are PREJUDICED against the message in the paper, would that be considered racism?

    • North

      Given your simply atrocious writing, it’s hard to believe you even have a high school diploma, much less an alum of an “elite university”. How sad.

  • Anonymous

    When blacks admit my life matters I will take listen to them. Until then, I couldn’t care less.

    • Kieran Coyne

      Boo, you racist asshole. Get out, dude.

      • Anonymous

        Why should I care about them if they don’t care about me?

  • John George

    The loss of intellectual integrity is just stunning. At universities such as Wesleyan room for an honest exchange of ideas is slipping away. It is nothing short of an attempt (sadly an often all too successful attempt) at forced reeducation. What has happened to liberalism?

    By all means, question the logic and the conclusion with your own best logic and counterpoints if you’re so inclined, but to demand that alternative voices be silenced is a slippery and extremely dangerous slope. The fact that it is even seriously being considered by the student body and Vice President is, well, it’s depressing really.

    Robby Soave (Reason.com) summed it up quite succinctly: “There’s plenty to criticize in the op-ed, but it’s hardly “openly racist.” If agreeing with BLM about certain policy concerns but lamenting specific tactics is ipso facto racist, then there is simply no acceptably sensitive way to scrutinize BLM.”

    So….”Shut up or I’ll demand that you be silenced!!!” Is this what we’ve come to? Is this what you really want in America’s most cherished institutions of higher education?

    • Voice_of_Reason

      “shut up or I’ll demand that you be silenced” has ALREADY been imposed on many college campuses in the form of speech codes and other politically correct restrictions.

    • Anonymous

      John George! HOW DARE YOU MAKE THIS AN “UNSAFE PLACE” for widdle me, a Special, Special Snowflake. I must now go to the fainting couch and collapse at the offense.

    • Anonymous

      Write a reply. This kid put his thoughts down on paper and signed his name. Those afraid to respond in kind are cowards and do not matter.

  • LB

    I don’t see why everyone is blowing up over this. The author has a number of valid points, which he has posed intelligently and straightforwardly.

    Assuming that someone skeptical of BLM’s methods is ipso facto antipathic to its motives — or that either of those is in any way tantamount to racism — is facile and, frankly, stupid.

    Please go back to class and stop making yourselves look bad.

    • Anonymous

      Or perhaps go back to class and (heaven forbid) LEARN something about our Bill of Rights.

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Please enlighten us….

      • Nathan

        Enlighten yourself…that’s what being an American is all about. You don’t have to wait on somebody else…go educate yourself and quit waiting for others to do it for you…

      • Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        That’s what I gots yous for. I’m too busy selling drugs. I be a true Democrat. I let you do the work, honkey beetch!!

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